Gays

[TonyB06]

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Blackwatch wrote:This is precisely what I am calling for, us to define exactly what "Manly" is so that we can draw a definite line where the debate can cease and we can better assess and demand things from a more morally homogenous brotherhood. ... I just question why draw the line squarely around homosexuality? (rest deleted for space...)
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My brother, I easily accept your point on the moral relatavism of this. If we accept that homosexuality, drunkenness, excessive fleshly desires, etc.. are all less than desirable outcomes, you’re right; why is one worse than another? However we must live in the real world. I ask you why do you think homosexuality (or the distaste for its display) is such a galvanizing issue for so many groups? Not just Alpha, or the other frats; look at the Boy Scouts, the Catholic Church and other organizations that have taken similar stands, whether codified in their by-laws or not. Rightly or wrongly, it’s a matter of degree. In the minds/hearts of most heterosexual men, the alternative lifestyle is simply anathema to what we consider our core goals and what we stand for as men, and in this case Alpha Men. And I think it has nothing to do with being homophobic, or judgemental, or feeling threatened in our own masculinity (or any of the other barbs usually thrown at most people who speak against this issue).

I think it'll snow in July before we ever arrive at a clear definition of what “Manly” is. As Brothers we exemplify it daily in our personal and civic lives but it’s hard to pinpoint. But I think it’s clear that the majority of our bruhs (and others) have a definition of what it is not. …can that many people, of so many diverse backgrounds, all arrive at the same point and be wrong?

It’s a slippery slope. Everyone’s got the right to live as they see fit. But others have the right to their opinions and beliefs as well. Sometimes that extends to group association as well. We all have work to do on making our standards more uniform across a variety of issues, but any step in the right direction, however uneven, is progress.

Peace to all in “our house” and others.