Skinny people (Normal girls represent!)

[cash78mere]

Originally posted by Dionysus
Tsk Tsk, I HONESTLY believe that some people on here (or anywhere else) would not like themselves, REGARDLESS of weight.

wow. for the first time EVER, i actually AGREE with dionysus

[KSigkid]

Originally posted by James
When under 17? At 16? Or sometimes under 17 percent? Thats kind of vague.

Men that have bodyfat percentages over 10 percent run a higher risk of diabetes . . . Greater than 9 anyway lol.

I'm pretty sure I'm under 10 percent, but I didn't think over 10 percent was that high; I could be wrong though.

[James]

It depends on how much over you are . . . thats why I posted it that way. Some of the people on here are being very vague.

Originally posted by KSigkid
I'm pretty sure I'm under 10 percent, but I didn't think over 10 percent was that high; I could be wrong though.

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by James
...Some of the people on here are being very vague.

Well James, being that this is a thread about weight, it's going to be very rare to have people come on and say "my name is Joe is, I weight 400 pounds with 90% body fat..." or "my name is Jane and I weigh 87 pounds and I have 5% body fat, but I'm not anorexic and I still have my periods..."

I think we can all agree, that for many people weight is a serious issue, so you'll just have to get used to people being vague on this issue. And frankly, no offense James, but you're hardly qualified (or maybe you are, correct me if I am wrong) to be giving advice on how much body fat is too much or to little. Just because you're doctor says one thing, and Cream's doctor says another doesn't mean either of them are right. So the best advice would be for everyone to follow their own doctors advice and if you think your doctor is wrong find a new doctor.

[Shine]

Originally posted by sigmagrrl
Discrimination, taunting, and offensive comments and behavior towards the obese/overweight is the last acceptable form of prejudice. It's an -ism, fatism. And it's so ingrained and accepted, that many people don't realize that they are doing it nor do they feel bad about it either...

I think I've said nearly that exact idea verbatim dozens of times.

[Shine]

Originally posted by PM_Mama00
Wow... that first sentence... I couldn't be more offended.

No kidding.

[Shine]

Originally posted by MSSTCY1
I'm also offended. By societies standard I am overweight. While I may not be as healthy as others around me that are much slimmer, I am not ugly. I take pride in myself and am comfortable with my body. I know that I will never run around the beach in a bikini, but I am still happy with who I am and how I look. Size is not what determines whether or not a person is attractive. Whether someone is 120 pounds or 220 pounds they can still be attractive, feel good about themselves, and have people like them. My weight has fluctated over a yoyo of 80 pounds since high school, and in all that time through all the phases I have been through I have never once been told that I was ugly. I have never had a problem obtaining or mainting a boyfriend either. I like to think that there are other aspects of myself that people enjoy other than the fact that I am carrying some extra baggage.

Amazing and beautifully stated.

[James]

Originally posted by Lady Pi Phi
[B]Well James, being that this is a thread about weight, it's going to be very rare to have people come on and say "my name is Joe is, I weight 400 pounds with 90% body fat..." or "my name is Jane and I weigh 87 pounds and I have 5% body fat, but I'm not anorexic and I still have my periods..."

You missed the point. People are being vague about the percentage of body fat at which menstruation is likely to be lost by women.

To say, under 17 % is a pretty wide range when those types of symptoms don't normally appear until around 10 %.

I think we can all agree, that for many people weight is a serious issue, so you'll just have to get used to people being vague on this issue.

Well, I agree that for many people on here weight is an emotional issue. Unresolved serious issues inspire people to tackle them. Unresolved emotional issues can lead to people feeling helpless and making excuses.

And frankly, no offense James, but you're hardly qualified (or maybe you are, correct me if I am wrong) to be giving advice on how much body fat is too much or to little.

Now thats a toughy. All knowledge needs a source whether you are in a healthcare field or a layman. I am repeating what sources I have read repeatedly writen over a couple years of research. I am not sure that makes me qualified.

I also keep reflecting on the doctors thattold us to drop the fat and protein and load up on Carbs a decade or so ago . . . and America gained an average of 8 pounds of body fat.

But believe what you like.

[James]

This isn't directed at Sugar and Spice because a few people were talking about how racism is similar to so-called discrimination against fatter people.

ITs a very weak analogy, especially when undeveloped. A distant kind of simile that casts light on a human behavioral problem.

Discrimination is NOT a word that should be used in application to being overweight.

Fat people are not going to be offered lesser salaries. ITs not going to be a factor in College admissions. They are not going to be asked to sit in the back of the bus, or treated like second class citizens in general.

Oh, and another large difference is that fat people can join the enemy by losing weight lol. That is not an option for people of various ethnicities. This is not a situation where the person is powerless to affect the perceptions of people around them.

There are certainly enough success stories where even morbidly obese people have become "Thin".


There really just isn't a discrimination issue . . . I mean seriously are the Fat People of the world going to unite (I am a little toungue in cheek here), rise up and march for their right to .. . .

What? lol.

Originally posted by sugar and spice
My boyfriend and I were discussing this issue a couple days ago, and I actually compared it to race relations. I basically said that skinny people can complain about how they can relate to fat people's problems because they get "discriminated" against too, but it's not the same thing at all . . . much like some white people like to pretend that "reverse discrimination" is as painful as the discrimination that minorities face.

An interesting analogy.

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by James
Discrimination is NOT a word that should be used in application to being overweight.

Fat people are not going to be offered lesser salaries. ITs not going to be a factor in College admissions. They are not going to be asked to sit in the back of the bus, or treated like second class citizens in general.

I disagree. I would be willing to bet money that obese people ARE offered lesser salaries. I don't know from experience, but it seems from some of the posts on here that overweight people are absolutely treated like second class citizens. Of course, it's not the same as race, but I think that there can be discrimination against overweight people.

[James]

I understand the point thats being made but it seems to add a gravity or a helpless to the situation that doesn't seem appropriate.

In talks of salary . . .For the same job? a lesser salary? Thats is some of the discrimination women as a gender face.

I can see maybe not getting a job over someone else for being overweight, but that is more of a "standards of attraction issue" than systematic deliberate exclusion as a matter of policy. Which was always the race or gender issue.

Also, weight is fluid. Meaning you can control it. We are talking about social preferences here.

WE might be playing with semantics but the word still doesn't seem to fit because we are not talking about an all pervasive social policy of discrimination which would be the case with Race and Gender issues. We are talking about personal preferences "in the moment".

Originally posted by valkyrie
I disagree. I would be willing to bet money that obese people ARE offered lesser salaries. I don't know from experience, but it seems from some of the posts on here that overweight people are absolutely treated like second class citizens. Of course, it's not the same as race, but I think that there can be discrimination against overweight people.

[Lady Pi Phi]

Originally posted by James
You missed the point. People are being vague about the percentage of body fat at which menstruation is likely to be lost by women.

To say, under 17 % is a pretty wide range when those types of symptoms don't normally appear until around 10 %.

I don't think people are being vague. I think people can't give you an answer becuase people don't have one. It seems that even professionals can't agree on a figure

Well, I agree that for many people on here weight is an emotional issue. Unresolved serious issues inspire people to tackle them. Unresolved emotional issues can lead to people feeling helpless and making excuses.

Well this seems to me like you're saying that an emotional issue is not a serious issue. Not everyone can be inpired to tackle any sort of issue when they are upset/depressed (being upset and depressed are 2 different things). An emotional issue can be just as serious for some as say a financial crisis. Those that are severely depressed will not tackle any issue because they do not have the physical or mental energy to do so. So those that are overweight and depressed are stuck in a very vicious cycle that is hard to break.

Now thats a toughy. All knowledge needs a source whether you are in a healthcare field or a layman. I am repeating what sources I have read repeatedly writen over a couple years of research. I am not sure that makes me qualified.

I also keep reflecting on the doctors thattold us to drop the fat and protein and load up on Carbs a decade or so ago . . . and America gained an average of 8 pounds of body fat.

But believe what you like.

I'm not saying the we should blindly follow doctors orders. I think if everyone did that we'd have a lot more problems. It's good to eductae ones self on health issues that way you can ask your doctor questions, and challenge the advice if you think it's wrong. In Cream's case when she said that she would rather listen to her doctor than you, well I would have to agree with her judgement. I would follow my doctor over you because they (hopefully) have the training and knowledge to make informed decisions. Now I'm not saying you're wrong, because for all I know you may very well be correct. All I am saying is that I would most likely take the advice of my doctor on my health that someone I don't know on a message board.

[MSSTCY1]

There is a lot of talk about bofy fat % in these two threads about weight, and people either being overweight or skinny. I am just wondering...what is everyone considering "thin" and what is "overweight." I am just wondering b/c I feel like everyone's opions about size differ. I personally think that anything in or under a womans size 13 is a normal weight. I won't place a size on what I think is too thin b/c I have many friends that are extremely thin that have to wear a bigger size b/c of the bone structure in their hips.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally posted by valkyrie
I disagree. I would be willing to bet money that obese people ARE offered lesser salaries. I don't know from experience, but it seems from some of the posts on here that overweight people are absolutely treated like second class citizens. Of course, it's not the same as race, but I think that there can be discrimination against overweight people.

Agreed. Does anyone remember watching that episode on MTV (I can't remember the name of the show) where they were showing people getting various cosmetic surgery? Do you remember the very overweight girl who had gastric bypass? She said that at her job they stick her in the back, barely seeing customers/clients. After she lost weight, they put her at, I think, the front desk. That is very typical of how overweight people are treated.

[Eirene_DGP]

Originally posted by James


Oh, and another large difference is that fat people can join the enemy by losing weight lol. That is not an option for people of various ethnicities.

LOL...CTFU @ joining the enemy...Why am I thinking BP 10 pt plan.....