Why Haze!!

I mean satin as the smooth, beautiful fabric.

[Positive Kay]

This is funny!!
This post went from why haze to if this person's name was evil!!!

Goodness!!!

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Set your goal!! Strive!! Bask in your reward!!

Positive Kay

[pinkice9]

OK THANKS FOR CLEARING UP MY IGNORANCE

Originally posted by mgdzkm433:
satin = silky fabric. . .lots of prom dress are made from this, formals, wedding gowns, etc etc

satan=lucifer, ruler of hell, fallen angel

two totally different words.

[one800thekiller]

first of all....this biggest problem with hazing is that the word hazing....is defined so loosely......

what could be considered hazing on a strict campus could be overlooked completely on another.....


I mean..where can you really draw that line?

I would argue that the line is crossed when personal safety is at stake.....to a fairly high degree....

and even with that as the definition there is so much leeway.....

But I am a firm believer that people do have a choice in there actions.....and if they start to haze....no one is stopping you from leaving?

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by one800thekiller

first of all....this biggest problem with hazing is that the word hazing....is defined so loosely......

what could be considered hazing on a strict campus could be overlooked completely on another.....


I mean..where can you really draw that line?

I would argue that the line is crossed when personal safety is at stake.....to a fairly high degree....

and even with that as the definition there is so much leeway.....

But I am a firm believer that people do have a choice in there actions.....and if they start to haze....no one is stopping you from leaving?

I would have to disagree with that statement. Hazing can take many forms. Sure you have the physical which you seem to be referencing, but you also have sexual, emotional and mental abuse. Hazing is anything that can cause ANY harm to a person. Any harm at all, but you seem to be saying that only when great physical harm is possible. I don't understand that thinking as the other kinds could be just as damaging if not more so.

[Tom Earp]

To put it basically it is stupid and against the law!

So, when a chapter is closed as so many are because of Hazing which is against the law of many states and HQs then guess what, it must be wrong!

If some are not aware of this, how stupid does this make them?

Screw up, get caught, and get booted off of school and out of GLO!

Who is smart now?

[one800thekiller]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

I would have to disagree with that statement. Hazing can take many forms. Sure you have the physical which you seem to be referencing, but you also have sexual, emotional and mental abuse. Hazing is anything that can cause ANY harm to a person. Any harm at all, but you seem to be saying that only when great physical harm is possible. I don't understand that thinking as the other kinds could be just as damaging if not more so.

I will agree that mental(which is emotional) and sexual(which is a possibility i didn't take into consideration when writing my previous post) could be just as damaging.


The mental "damage" is ..quite literally all in your head.
The only time i could see that as permanent damage to a person is if you don't complete the pledge process....if you have...and your brothers except you as a brother...you realize WHY the pledge process is what it is

[ree-Xi]

Originally Posted by one800thekiller

I will agree that mental(which is emotional) and sexual(which is a possibility i didn't take into consideration when writing my previous post) could be just as damaging.


The mental "damage" is ..quite literally all in your head.
The only time i could see that as permanent damage to a person is if you don't complete the pledge process....if you have...and your brothers except you as a brother...you realize WHY the pledge process is what it is

So "mental damage" is ok as long as you are initiated and the "reasons" are explained to you?

I think that your overall argument is weak and you should probably just give up.

PS - it's ACCEPT, not except.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by one800thekiller

I will agree that mental(which is emotional) and sexual(which is a possibility i didn't take into consideration when writing my previous post) could be just as damaging.


The mental "damage" is ..quite literally all in your head.
The only time i could see that as permanent damage to a person is if you don't complete the pledge process....if you have...and your brothers except you as a brother...you realize WHY the pledge process is what it is

You're right. The mental damage IS in your head. That's why it's called MENTAL damage.

And permanent damage or not, it is hurting someone. You'd be surprised at how many people that can affect. Just because it didn't hurt you doesn't mean it isn't hurting someone else. And a lot of people won't say anything. And do you want to know why? Because you're guys, and you're taught not to show any emotion, and you're afraid to share feelings with other guys.

But I guarantee that there are guys, probably in your fraternity, who have been hurt by hazing. Because I've seen it happen, and I've had guys come to me to talk about it. And while they don't tell me exactly what is involved in the program, they are clearly upset about it, whether they get into the fraternity or not.

[RUgreek]

Originally posted by satin:
If people KNOW that hazing is wrong, why is it still being done? ...Give some insight!!!

Does S&M mean anything to you? Just kidding, why do people haze..hmm a very difficult sociological question. I think there are many reasons from "it's fun" to "we had it done to us, so you're gonna get it too" arguments. Hazing is supposed to show discipline and devotion to the higher authorities, in my opinion. I don't think it's right, and I certainly do not condone it, but this is the impression I get whenever people discuss the subject. Hazing has been around a long time now, maybe not as abusive and ridiculous, but it has a long history. When a person gets hazed and accepts the consequences or whatever that goes along with it, the Hazors (if I can make up such a term) believe that this person will honor and sacrifice for them. I believe it could be a positive tool, if not abused and turned into a meaningless torture device. To test a person's loyalty to an organization is a common trait everyone looks for in a member. Hazing is being done for the wrong reasons, but I think that it could be a respectable learning instrument.

Now, Why do people do the wrong hazing? Because they are pathetic assholes who can't seem to figure out that inflicting pain and harm on another is the most dangerous and stupid thing you could possibly do to someone. If hazing has no alternative purpose except to create unhappiness, it has no merits and is completely usless. I hope some of this makes sense, if not, please comment.

RUgreek

[ZChi4Life]

RUGreek--I'm feeling you, esp on that last part. Making someone partake in hazing "just becuz" is stupid! I was taught that everything that goes along w/ educating new members should have a point--a good one at that! Hazing for the hell of it is for those who have nothing else better to do w/ their time and to me, they don't respect themselves, the people they are bringing or their orgs. But that's just my opinion. But I do think that something is needed when bringing in new members. I mean, how boring would it be to just sit and simply learn about the sister/brotherhood however often. Wouldn't a fun activity make things so much better and enjoyable? I think learning by doing is an excellent way to instill things like sister/brotherhood, teamwork, discipline and other things when joining any type of group

[LIGHT #3]

ZChi4Life:

I am apart of the father of fraternities and as you this is called MASONRY. I am going to tell it to like this, hazing is not what make your fraternity stronger of any kind. Us as a race of people think that this is right but it is totally wrong. Now I didn't say that I was against having some fun with folks, but you can have good CLEAN fun! You don't have to place your hands on anyone in a improper way at all. I think that alot of men of this page might want to read Psalms 133! And your founders wasn't hazed so why should you?

P.S. Keep the Lord first in all that you do!

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by satin

If people KNOW that hazing is wrong, why is it still being done. I think that the simple fact of being hazed oneself causes them to take that out on the next. Future frats and sorors start to expect the things that are done during hazing. I've heard a girl actually say,"Yeah girl, they are going to beat my ass." (Name of the organization will stay unmentioned). When I heard this, it pissed me off that that was what she was looking forward to. Give some insight!!!

How many hazing threads are there going to be?! Post under an existing hazing thread! There's your "insight".

[Kevin]

Cheer -- the OP was over 7 years ago.

(just FYI)

[SWTXBelle]

I keep seeing "Why Hazel" when I sign on . . . .