UMD Greek life sanctions

[Pinkmagnolia921]

The Greek Life Suspension has been lifted, but 5 Fraternities are still under investigation.

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/unive...ities/60216424

[33girl]

Absolutely unbelievable. If this doesn't impact their enrollment I'll be shocked.

PS: these kids need to learn they can't search your phone if you don't have it with you.

[carnation]

I love what they said here!

"We will continue to pursue litigation against representatives of the University of Maryland for their unlawful behavior in targeting members of fraternities and sororities. Administrators who participated in or were complicit in this egregious erosion of student liberties must be held accountable."

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Absolutely unbelievable. If this doesn't impact their enrollment I'll be shocked.

PS: these kids need to learn they can't search your phone if you don't have it with you.

They can't search your phone without a warrant.

That's the lesson that needs to be learned here.

The real tragedy is that there has to be some level of trust and professionalism between the Greek orgs on campus and the administration. If you violate that, then you're forcing everything underground.

[Zach]

Originally Posted by Kevin

They can't search your phone without a warrant.

That's the lesson that needs to be learned here.

The real tragedy is that there has to be some level of trust and professionalism between the Greek orgs on campus and the administration. If you violate that, then you're forcing everything underground.

Everything already is being done underground for the purpose of hazing. When organizations stop hazing (across the board), then I think that would be the first step to building trust between the two. Until that happens, forget it.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Zach

Everything already is being done underground for the purpose of hazing. When organizations stop hazing (across the board), then I think that would be the first step to building trust between the two. Until that happens, forget it.

"When ________ people stop committing crimes, that would be the first step to law enforcement searching them and harming them without any particularized suspicion."

Yeah... that's not how anything works.

"Everything is already being done underground" is what you say about UMD. How do you know that is true? And even if it was, how can you ever justify one person of a group being guilty of something means that you can automatically suspect and even penalize others in that group?

If the band hazes, do we suspend field hockey team?

[naraht]

Originally Posted by Pinkmagnolia921

The Greek Life Suspension has been lifted, but 5 Fraternities are still under investigation.

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/unive...ities/60216424

That article and others that I've seen indicate that there are 5 groups still under investigation, but no indications that those 5 are all men's groups. (In fact with the fact that this blew up at the same time as that female influencer, I wouldn't be that surprised if a majority of the five still under investigation were women's groups.

[navane]

Originally Posted by naraht

That article and others that I've seen indicate that there are 5 groups still under investigation, but no indications that those 5 are all men's groups. (In fact with the fact that this blew up at the same time as that female influencer, I wouldn't be that surprised if a majority of the five still under investigation were women's groups.

All five are confirmed by the university to be fraternities.

Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md...ty-ban-lifted/

Originally Posted by 33girl

Absolutely unbelievable. If this doesn't impact their enrollment I'll be shocked.

PS: these kids need to learn they can't search your phone if you don't have it with you.

The students probably weren't expecting to be asked to have their phones searched. I would have never anticipated that myself. The one news article stated that the consulting firm asked them to show their calendars and such. I suppose, to glean information on what events happened when and where.

What is most horrifying to me is that none of these students were under criminal investigation. The university and "consultants" do not have legal authority to detain the students or search their personal property without consent. Only the police get to do that and, from what I can tell, the students were not being investigated by any law enforcement officers. The university and "consultants" likely used scare tactics such as "If you don't cooperate and give us your phone, you'll get an honor violation and possibly kicked out of college" to coerce these 18-22 year olds into giving consent for their cell phones. Unless there is something in the university policy, I don't even see how they could coerce anyone into showing up for the interviews to start with. You want an interview? Get a warrant! Then the police can invite me in for a little chat. The students were under no obligation to sit there in the interview room. They could have gotten up and walked right out. Otherwise, it's an unlawful detention.

Disgusting! These kids didn't understand their rights and the administrators knew it.

[33girl]

Let me rephrase that.

Anytime you're called to any sort of interrogation, have as little personal information on you as possible. Leave your wallet in your car (or better yet, take a bus/walk there). Ideally, walk in with nothing but your house key. If they want info, they need to get a warrant.

And yeah, I do feel like I knew this at that age, it's what comes from growing up/going to college in a state with super restrictive alcohol laws and small town police departments continually trying to justify their salaries.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by Pinkmagnolia921

The Greek Life Suspension has been lifted, but 5 Fraternities are still under investigation.

https://www.wbaltv.com/article/unive...ities/60216424

That article and others that I've seen indicate that there are 5 groups still under investigation, but no indications that those 5 are all men's groups. (In fact with the fact that this blew up at the same time as that female influencer, I wouldn't be that surprised if a majority of the five still under investigation were women's groups.