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05-05-2021, 05:33 PM
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I asked one of our former national officers about this. This lady is very involved in the fraternal Capitol Hill efforts.
Being recommended for membership by a current member is a vital part of fraternal organizations legally remaining single sex groups.
That's what she told me. Phi Mu has gotten around this by their national prez just recommended everybody sight unseen.
NPC seems to be pushing for this as a body.
It'll be interesting to see how they get around this little requirement....or maybe they just want to open every group up to everybody?
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05-05-2021, 06:49 PM
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Hey, let's just open up all our groups to everyone. Sight unseen, even. Bad reps. Terrible grades. Drama kings and queens.
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05-06-2021, 12:43 AM
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Hey, let's just open up all our groups to everyone. Sight unseen, even. Bad reps. Terrible grades. Drama kings and queens.
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05-06-2021, 06:26 AM
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"Is this where we get hazed? I heard that the last 2 classes got hazed really hard! I saw the videos everywhere!"
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05-06-2021, 04:16 PM
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"Is this where we get hazed? I heard that the last 2 classes got hazed really hard! I saw the videos everywhere!"
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Funny story, I went to homecoming a couple of years ago and some new actives were telling me that some of their pledge class decided they would brand each other and so they did. The brothers had nothing to do with it. Guys are just different.
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05-06-2021, 06:19 PM
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Funny story, I went to homecoming a couple of years ago and some new actives were telling me that some of their pledge class decided they would brand each other and so they did. The brothers had nothing to do with it. Guys are just different.
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Not necessarily. I could see some female pledges doing this-especially if recs are not a factor.
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05-07-2021, 02:37 PM
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The way Nationals for many organizations are going, I can easily see our beloved sororities becoming social clubs open to anyone. Forget recruitment, it will be "sign up as you will" and "meet and mingle" to learn about our organization.
Sounds outlandish but there's enough going on that the powers-that-be will make these decisions, at least eventually - but eventually may arrive sooner than we could imagine.
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07-25-2021, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by AnchorAlumna
I asked one of our former national officers about this. This lady is very involved in the fraternal Capitol Hill efforts.
Being recommended for membership by a current member is a vital part of fraternal organizations legally remaining single sex groups.
That's what she told me. Phi Mu has gotten around this by their national prez just recommended everybody sight unseen.
NPC seems to be pushing for this as a body.
It'll be interesting to see how they get around this little requirement....or maybe they just want to open every group up to everybody?
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Is there any NPC group currently in violation of the bolded above?
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07-25-2021, 06:33 PM
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Is there any NPC group currently in violation of the bolded above?
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Hard to say it's in violation if it's not in their Constitution or bylaws.
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07-25-2021, 10:13 PM
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At the risk of being redundant, if anyone can recommend any PNM for any sorority, doesn't that negate the whole concept? What's to stop Nancy Nu from writing dishonest recs for all of the local PNMs to all but her sorority?
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07-25-2021, 10:41 PM
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At the risk of being redundant, if anyone can recommend any PNM for any sorority, doesn't that negate the whole concept? What's to stop Nancy Nu from writing dishonest recs for all of the local PNMs to all but her sorority?
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AMEN!!! Recs are just about meaningless at this point. Why waste the time if anyone, non-alumnae, non-Greek, man, etc, can write a rec?
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07-26-2021, 04:37 PM
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AMEN!!! Recs are just about meaningless at this point. Why waste the time if anyone, non-alumnae, non-Greek, man, etc, can write a rec?
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As I noted earlier in the thread, it doesn't mean they all carry the same weight. However, if someone like a high school principal wrote a rec, would you really think it was meaningless? When these students applied for college, they didn't only accept recommendation letters from the school's alumni. When you apply for a job, you don't have to have references from that company. That would be insane.
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07-26-2021, 04:53 PM
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I have known principals to write various kinds of recs for many, many kids they didn't even know. This has resulted in a lot of jerky, dramatic, or mean kids getting awards, etc. only because they had good grades. (Which, come to think of it, were achieved by cheating in some cases.)
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07-27-2021, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by AnchorAlumna
I asked one of our former national officers about this. This lady is very involved in the fraternal Capitol Hill efforts.
Being recommended for membership by a current member is a vital part of fraternal organizations legally remaining single sex groups.
That's what she told me. Phi Mu has gotten around this by their national prez just recommended everybody sight unseen.
NPC seems to be pushing for this as a body.
It'll be interesting to see how they get around this little requirement....or maybe they just want to open every group up to everybody?
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I've got a *really* hard time imagining the statement in Bold being true. The fraternities of the NIC, Kappa Beta Gamma and (of both genders) the NPHC and NALFO seem to be in no threat of losing their Title IX status.
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