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06-19-2020, 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by carnation
To DGalumna:
No, we would rather have someone here who will actually be affected by the decision. At this point, you won't.
And we expected someone to come over here and expound and try to do damage control because of how horribly some alums were being treated on Facebook. We saw it, having been alerted by some horrified DG alums--no one was treated with respect or gentleness--and no doubt, some will never wear the anchor again.
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Again, I acknowledge that some of the posts and comments truly went off the rails but it was not only young alumnae and not only older alumnae as well. No one should be saying nasty things to another sister and I'm not excusing any of them and I'm frustrated and hurt that some of them may very well abandon DG. I don't think anyone thinks that's beneficial to our sisterhood whether internally or externally.
There are still plenty of alumnae, young and old, who have commented in support of this decision. I'm not "doing damage control". I am here because the voice of one of the younger groups of women who are excited to see where DG goes seemed lacking and I wanted to share my thoughts. Clearly this is not wanted here. As for being affected, of course I'm still affected. I was the first woman in my extended family to join Greek life and was looking forward to the day my daughter could share my sisterhood. It's still a possibility! It's just not coming with the same expectations.
But what would I know? I'm obviously just a silly young woman who doesn't understand how the world works anyways. I hope that one of the many alumnae who do have daughters immediately affected by this and were in support of the change thinks to come over here and comment. I hope her reception will be better.
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06-20-2020, 12:00 AM
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But what would I know? I'm obviously just a silly young woman who doesn't understand how the world works anyways.
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yeah...
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06-20-2020, 12:22 AM
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So I signed into my husband's FB account so I could see the discussion for myself.
This stood out to me:
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Delta Gamma Fraternity
Hi Roselle, something to recognize is that sororities were built during a time in our country’s history when women were just being invited to attend colleges and universities for the first time. While this was a big step, it was not inclusive of all women and was limited to those who were White at most colleges and universities. Because of that, the rituals, practices and traditions of sororities were built upon white ideals and perspectives.
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I more than stand by my original comments re: the content in the video I shared. It's freaky to read all of this DG stuff after watching that video.
And, yes, it will also eventually become changing grade expectations because grades are a barrier and so on. That's the way it works.
Eventually, new members won't even experience the same ritual in our organizations. Those, too, will be completely changed and rewritten to make them "acceptable" and devoid of "white ideals and perspectives." At that point, are we even members of the same organization? The ritual and ideals are the things that bind us together through generations. If that's gone, then what's left? A sweatshirt and a bumper sticker in certain colors?
The thought that keeps going through my mind is that if I had something like stock in NPC or individual sororities, I'd be calling my broker to sell.
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06-20-2020, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by TriDeltaSallie
Eventually, new members won't even experience the same ritual in our organizations. Those, too, will be completely changed and rewritten to make them "acceptable" and devoid of "white ideals and perspectives." At that point, are we even members of the same organization? The ritual and ideals are the things that bind us together through generations. If that's gone, then what's left? A sweatshirt and a bumper sticker in certain colors?
The thought that keeps going through my mind is that if I had something like stock in NPC or individual sororities, I'd be calling my broker to sell.
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Wow. That’s a jump. I’m shocked at how many people here are convinced this singular choice will be the downfall of all NPC groups. Have a little faith. Legacies still exist, even in DG, it’s not like that bond is being completely erased.
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06-20-2020, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by GoldenAnchor
Wow. That’s a jump. I’m shocked at how many people here are convinced this singular choice will be the downfall of all NPC groups. Have a little faith. Legacies still exist, even in DG, it’s not like that bond is being completely erased.
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Watch the video I linked to and then tell me the same thing.
I was explaining this development to my husband and said that one of the big problems is that not only did DG change their legacy policy, they blew it up. Without input from members or voting. Apparently without warning. And announced it on social media to the general membership (read: a lot of the soon-to-be alienated middle).
On top of that, they directly tied the change to the most divisive developments in our culture at the current moment - identity politics, intersectionality, and critical race theory.
While colleges are already experiencing trouble with enrollment.
And I guarantee you that it will only be a matter of time before NPC organizations call out for every bit of "white ideals and perspectives" (read: Christian references and language) to be eliminated from the rituals. If that happens, the Tri Delta ritual won't even be my ritual. To re-write it would basically require an entire new ritual. Which brings me back to the question of what do we have in common if not our rituals? Colors and a mascot?
Someone sent me a PM and said they couldn't watch the video I shared because it was a word salad. If you don't understand the concepts they are using, then you won't understand what is happening in our culture and now our NPC groups.
If you think I'm wrong, go watch the interview Joe Rogan did this week with Bret Weinstein, formerly of Evergreen College. He told everyone this was coming because this is what happens once you start down this path. It takes on a life of its own that you cannot control.
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06-20-2020, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by TriDeltaSallie
Without input from members or voting. Apparently without warning. And announced it on social media to the general membership (read: a lot of the soon-to-be alienated middle).
On top of that, they directly tied the change to the most divisive developments in our culture at the current moment - identity politics, intersectionality, and critical race theory.
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To address this part - this is a direct result of calls to action on the collegiate level, multiple collegiate chapters made this request of EO. Input directly from the members being impacting by this policy and seeing it in action in their recruitment spaces.
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06-20-2020, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by GoldenAnchor
To address this part - this is a direct result of calls to action on the collegiate level, multiple collegiate chapters made this request of EO. Input directly from the members being impacting by this policy and seeing it in action in their recruitment spaces.
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I would think, though, that this would come up directly after recruitment, not NOW, when people have other things on their minds to put it mildly. If in October or November they would have opened a discussion saying, many chapters felt hamstrung by our legacy policy this past recruitment season, they had to cut great women and many of these women were POC, etc etc, it would have been much more well received. Instead, it gets tied to the George Floyd murder and subsequent recent events and really does come across as virtue signalling.
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