Alpha Phi Smoking Gun Just Published on IG

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by Sen's Revenge

Question:

I follow the IG page and I believe it.

However,

What is MS supposed to look like if not this?

And don't say we don't talk about MS here because that horse done left the barn.

Note: I am not asking for any of the other 25 to go line by line how they do MS, but more like how they would amend the alleged friendinheaven process so it's more in line with that you think it should be.

I'm confused. Are you asking on what we base our MS decisions? Is it not obvious that putting looks as the most important aspect, far above all else, is a recipe for disaster? Is it even a question that this being taught by the organization's leadership is misguiding the collegiate members and setting them up not only to fail, but to fill their chapters with members who have questionable values and cause issues, some which may lead to criminal charges and/or public humiliation?

Or am I misinterpreting your question?

[Sen's Revenge]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

I'm confused. Are you asking on what we base our MS decisions? Is it not obvious that putting looks as the most important aspect, far above all else, is a recipe for disaster? Is it even a question that this being taught by the organization's leadership is misguiding the collegiate members and setting them up not only to fail, but to fill their chapters with members who have questionable values and cause issues, some which may lead to criminal charges and/or public humiliation?

Or am I misinterpreting your question?

But there have been NPC chapters of women who have questionable values who aren't pretty. That's not really my concern.

My question is whether someone will lay out what the ideal selection and vetting process ought to be.

[33girl]

Looks/appearance figure into it, sure. But so does Gpa, extracurricular involvement, and personality. You assign a value to each of those things and average them out somehow.

Every group does this a little differently, and I’m betting every chapter does it differently. (I seriously doubt that the ABC chapter with 39 members follows the same procedure as the ABC chapter with 409 members.)

If, as described in the Beta Delta letter, you have a woman come through who is beloved by everyone in the chapter who knows her, has extracurricular involvement and good grades - and your national is telling you to kick her to the curb because her looks are inadequate- that’s what everyone is saying is completely wrong.

[Sen's Revenge]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Looks/appearance figure into it, sure. But so does Gpa, extracurricular involvement, and personality. You assign a value to each of those things and average them out somehow.

Every group does this a little differently, and I’m betting every chapter does it differently. (I seriously doubt that the ABC chapter with 39 members follows the same procedure as the ABC chapter with 409 members.)

If, as described in the Beta Delta letter, you have a woman come through who is beloved by everyone in the chapter who knows her, has extracurricular involvement and good grades - and your national is telling you to kick her to the curb because her looks are inadequate- that’s what everyone is saying is completely wrong.

So question.... (and you know me, so you know I am coming from a place of understanding and not disrespect)

Why should looks figure into it at all?

For example, what if there is a category that says whether or not a PNM has a professional or put-together hair style.

Then a black or biracial girl comes in with dreadlocks.

What happens when Karen with the clipboard decides to take points off because she has never seen a black hairstyle?

Or a Muslim woman who covers?

I guess what I am saying as an outsider to the process is that what Alpha Phi is alleged to be doing doesn't seem that much different from what the system does as a whole. It's just that one way is codified and organized and the other way is more casual.

[Sororitysock]

Originally Posted by Sen's Revenge

So question.... (and you know me, so you know I am coming from a place of understanding and not disrespect)

Why should looks figure into it at all?

For example, what if there is a category that says whether or not a PNM has a professional or put-together hair style.

Then a black or biracial girl comes in with dreadlocks.

What happens when Karen with the clipboard decides to take points off because she has never seen a black hairstyle?

Or a Muslim woman who covers?

I guess what I am saying as an outsider to the process is that what Alpha Phi is alleged to be doing doesn't seem that much different from what the system does as a whole. It's just that one way is codified and organized and the other way is more casual.

I'm going to say it because that's how I roll and it's being forever tiptoed around within this debate in the NPC. Alpha Phi is using "attractive" as a criteria in the very narrowest of ways: attractive/hot white women. Their policy effectively disqualifies anyone who does not fit it, including women of color, women who wear religious garments, physically disabled women etc. Look at photos of these chapters and there is an alarming lack of any diversity, unless you're talking hair color. Dark skin isn't hot. Ethnic features aren't hot. Natural hair isn't hot. Hijabs aren't hot. Wheelchairs aren't hot.

[Sen's Revenge]

Originally Posted by Sororitysock

I'm going to say it because that's how I roll and it's being forever tiptoed around within this debate in the NPC. Alpha Phi is using "attractive" as a criteria in the very narrowest of ways: attractive/hot white women. Their policy effectively disqualifies anyone who does not fit it, including women of color, women who wear religious garments, physically disabled women etc. Look at photos of these chapters and there is an alarming lack of any diversity, unless you're talking hair color. Dark skin isn't hot. Ethnic features aren't hot. Natural hair isn't hot. Hijabs aren't hot. Wheelchairs aren't hot.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Sororitysock

I'm going to say it because that's how I roll and it's being forever tiptoed around within this debate in the NPC. Alpha Phi is using "attractive" as a criteria in the very narrowest of ways: attractive/hot white women. Their policy effectively disqualifies anyone who does not fit it, including women of color, women who wear religious garments, physically disabled women etc. Look at photos of these chapters and there is an alarming lack of any diversity, unless you're talking hair color. Dark skin isn't hot. Ethnic features aren't hot. Natural hair isn't hot. Hijabs aren't hot. Wheelchairs aren't hot.

I even remember one of the points of attractiveness being “silky” hair. I’m white as liquid paper but that lets my ass out.