Three Sororities and One Professional Fraternity Suspended at Ohio University

[Rod D]

"Though the allegations against the four Greek chapters don’t rise to the level of criminal activity"

Then it's not hazing. Got to watch the professional fraternities. Sounds like a witch hunt to me.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by Rod D

"Though the allegations against the four Greek chapters don’t rise to the level of criminal activity"

Then it's not hazing. Got to watch the professional fraternities. Sounds like a witch hunt to me.

Entirely reasonable for a school to consider that don't count as Criminal Activity as hazing. If a fraternity chapter required all of its pledges to dress as Sailor Moon for the entire pledging while carrying around a Brick and sing the Horst-Wessel-Lied (the co-national anthem of Nazi Germany) every time they see one of the brothers, as far as I can tell,there wouldn't be any criminal charges. OTOH, I would expect every NIC fraternity to shut down a chapter that did that and most if not all schools.

[Rod D]

Originally Posted by naraht

Entirely reasonable for a school to consider that don't count as Criminal Activity as hazing. If a fraternity chapter required all of its pledges to dress as Sailor Moon for the entire pledging while carrying around a Brick and sing the Horst-Wessel-Lied (the co-national anthem of Nazi Germany) every time they see one of the brothers, as far as I can tell,there wouldn't be any criminal charges. OTOH, I would expect every NIC fraternity to shut down a chapter that did that and most if not all schools.

If you don't use a legal definition of hazing, then you have a "whatever I feel like" standard. And that doesn't work. Houses are being punished because, god forbid, little Johnny had to clean the house or someone was "mean" to him.

So riddle me this, is this hazing:
https://www.facebook.com/IndianaUniv...2724941475653/

[naraht]

Originally Posted by Rod D

If you don't use a legal definition of hazing, then you have a "whatever I feel like" standard. And that doesn't work. Houses are being punished because, god forbid, little Johnny had to clean the house or someone was "mean" to him.

So riddle me this, is this hazing:
https://www.facebook.com/IndianaUniv...2724941475653/

Doing this from my work computer, which can't access facebook. And collegiate organizations certainly are held to different standards than places like the military or a state police academy. The US Military in training only guarantees one meal a day and one hour of sleep, so I'd quite happily see Marine Bootcamp have conditions that would see a fraternity not only expelled from a campus but its members prosecuted/convicted

It is a private school so it can be a "whatever I feel like standard". And if the University's standard is too ludicrous, there will be PR/Alumni pushback.

The question is whether these incidents meet a standard of hazing that the University has documented and made the Fraternities/Sororities/Professionals sign.

[Benzgirl]

Originally Posted by naraht

It is a private school so it can be a "whatever I feel like standard". And if the University's standard is too ludicrous, there will be PR/Alumni pushback.

OU is not a private school. In fact, it's nothing more than a glorified high school.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by Benzgirl

OU is not a private school. In fact, it's nothing more than a glorified high school.

My mistake on the first. On the second, that's simply an opinion.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by Rod D

Oh stop yourself. But thanks for making my point. Many other organizations engage in questionable behavior, but it's the Fraternities that get all the publicity. Wonder why.

Greek organizations claim to be values based, above the rest, and providing a value that cannot be provided by anybody else. If we are going to claim to be above the rest, we have to act it.

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

Sure appears to me that my alma mater is going after the entire Greek System.

Having been an alumni advisor (Division Vice President) in Colorado several years ago, I have zero tolerance for hazing, but this seems to me to be a very heavy handed over reach by the University.

If the chapter is breaking the rules or the law, suspend it. But only when there is proof.

That is my opinion. I do not speak for Delta Tau Delta.

Good to see you, but sorry this is happening at your alma mater.

Originally Posted by Benzgirl

OU is not a private school. In fact, it's nothing more than a glorified high school.

When my son was exploring meteorology and broadcast journalism, Ohio U was one of the best in the country for both so I think this may be an extreme statement.

[Sen's Revenge]

Originally Posted by Benzgirl

OU is not a private school. In fact, it's nothing more than a glorified high school.

I did not know this and I've actually visited the campus LOL

[ForeverRoses]

Originally Posted by Benzgirl

OU is not a private school. In fact, it's nothing more than a glorified high school.

As a very proud Ohio University alumna, I am beyond offended by this.

OU has one of the BEST communications colleges in the nation as well as top ranked schools in other fields (osteopathic medicine, sport management, and engineering all come to mind).

I grew up in Columbus, and I went to plenty of parties on the tOSU campus. Nothing I saw at OU was worse than at tOSU (as a comparison, but tOSU was never horrid either). OU is in the middle of nowhere, and students stay on campus during the weekends. It is not a commuter or suitcase college. In fact we would joke about all of the students from other universities that came to Athens on the weekends.

is there hazing? for some groups, yes. for all? no. I didn't experience I single example of hazing in my sorority, my co-ed communications society, or any of the other groups of which I was a member.

I guess a parent not allowing a child to go to OU because it is a "party school" is similar to my dad not allowing me to go to Kent State because of the shootings.