An interesting read by a U of Michigan Recruitment Chair

[beckymer92]

On this thread alone, there are Alpha Phis both confirming and denying this to be a national policy, thus "she said-she said" (so we don't know). A member might have some ax to grind, so it could be sour grapes, we don't know.

I don't see the downfall of "rushing for looks" even if it is happening. Alpha Phi overall seems to do quite well. That we do know.

[bevinpiphi]

Looks don't determine the quality of a woman.

[beckymer92]

Originally Posted by bevinpiphi

Looks don't determine the quality of a woman.

Exactly! Which means there is no causation between rushing for looks and poor outcomes/low-quality members.

[bevinpiphi]

Originally Posted by beckymer92

Exactly! Which means there is no causation between rushing for looks and poor outcomes/low-quality members.

And ABSOLUTELY no reason to eliminate someone as a potential member because of her looks or lack thereof.

I was at a campus that had the tall skinny blonde chapter, the tall skinny brunette chapter, the chapter of dancers, the slightly less tall and skinny blonde chapter, the slightly less tall and skinny brunette chapter, and some more diverse chapters. It was painfully obvious which chapters recruited to looks, ignoring nearly everything else. It makes recruiting based on values incredibly difficult if chapters and new members are focused mainly on outward appearances. Tent talk was brutal and superficial.

[APhi2KD]

Originally Posted by bevinpiphi

Looks don't determine the quality of a woman.

Originally Posted by beckymer92

Exactly! Which means there is no causation between rushing for looks and poor outcomes/low-quality members.

WTF?? How did you arrive there???
Your comments are the most bizarre in this thread. Rushing on physical appearance foremost is denying that the quality of the person inside is most important. THAT is what creates the problem. Yes, there are many accomplished women who are stunners. RUSH THEM, by all means! But ultimately, rushing for quality members should be done from the inside-out.

[APhi2KD]

Originally Posted by beckymer92

On this thread alone, there are Alpha Phis both confirming and denying this to be a national policy, thus "she said-she said" (so we don't know). A member might have some ax to grind, so it could be sour grapes, we don't know.

I don't see the downfall of "rushing for looks" even if it is happening. Alpha Phi overall seems to do quite well. That we do know.

I can’t tell if you are trying to help or hurt APhi. Your repeated calls of “sour grapes” and back-handed compliments lead me to guess the latter.

[SunflowerState]

Originally Posted by APhi2KD

I can’t tell if you are trying to help or hurt APhi. Your repeated calls of “sour grapes” and back-handed compliments lead me to guess the latter.

Thank you APhi2KD. My thought exactly.

[GreekOne]

Originally Posted by beckymer92

On this thread alone, there are Alpha Phis both confirming and denying this to be a national policy, thus "she said-she said" (so we don't know). A member might have some ax to grind, so it could be sour grapes, we don't know.

I don't see the downfall of "rushing for looks" even if it is happening. Alpha Phi overall seems to do quite well. That we do know.

Imagine if you were hiring and you had candidates that were over qualified and pleasant but not attractive. Then, there was a candidate who looked like Bradley Cooper but didn't have the necessary skills. Who gets the job?

If you are hiring fashion models, it is clear how you hire. But, if the job requires more than wearing a size 0 and walking a runway, you should think about what makes your organization stronger. What is your fiduciary responsibility to your organization?

Sure, I would love to chat up Bradly Cooper over the coffee machine every day. But, if he is not contributing to the overall goals of the organization, is he the right fit?

I would rather be a member of an organization filled with Madeline Albrights and Ruth Bader Ginsbergs than Melania Trumps. ( Ignore party affiliation. I am making a point about quality vs. substance and contribution instead of party).

I would want my chapter to be filled with athletes, scholars, student leaders AND the Homecoming Queen. But, if something had to give, I would not pick one criteria to the detriment of others. A chapter is richer and deeper by having diversity.

One of the biggest concerns, to me, about this (presumed) Alpha Phi piece is that alumnae are dropping legacies and friends of chapter members because they consider them to be "MG" based on a superficial standard of beauty. That is completely beyond the realm of my experience as a collegian or an adviser.

If we have come to a point where sororities want women who offer nothing but beauty, we should rethink our values.

[APhi2KD]

Originally Posted by GreekOne

I would rather be a member of an organization filled with Madeline Albrights and Ruth Bader Ginsbergs than Melania Trumps. ( Ignore party affiliation. I am making a point about quality vs. substance and contribution instead of party).

Word.