Sororities seek to change fraternity culture

Kevin · #1 01-31-2018, 04:50 PM

The issue is and always will be that young people are programmed to make bad decisions and overindulge.

ASTalumna06 · #2 01-31-2018, 06:26 PM

I would agree with most everyone above, except... look at many of the cases where students are dying due to alcohol. The four cited incidents in the story alone involved the death of a pledge, and all (aside from maybe one) involved hazing.

It's one thing for someone to accidentally get too drunk at a party. It's another to be hazed so heavily by your brothers/sisters that you end up with a BAC well above a .25.

Let's pretend all Greeks start following the FIPG rules and guidelines to a tee when it comes to throwing parties. Do you think the hazing with alcohol would end?

(btw, just to reiterate: I do agree with the posters above that it's not the sororities' place to "fix" the fraternities)

33girl · #3 01-31-2018, 07:36 PM

I wonder how many of the students who participated in hazing incidents where alcohol was involved - as instigators or victims - had any experience with or exposure to alcohol before college.

I mean, to me, pressuring someone to drink is so...high school. If one of my sisters didn't want to drink, I couldn't have cared less. The prevailing opinion was "whatever, more for me."

30 years ago, we also didn't have as many people on medications for ADD, depression, what have you. We just didn't. And I think there's probably kids that have been on these meds most of their life and think about it no more than a vitamin, and therefore don't say to themselves "this drug plus alcohol is going to be a hot mess."

Cheerio · #4 02-01-2018, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin

The issue is and always will be that young people are programmed to make bad decisions and overindulge.

Parents need to take more responsibility for inculcating wise values and standards to their children. Parents usually have 16-20 years to work earnestly at same before sending students away to university.

ASTalumna06 · #5 02-02-2018, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheerio

Parents need to take more responsibility for inculcating wise values and standards to their children. Parents usually have 16-20 years to work earnestly at same before sending students away to university.

I'm sorry, but this is bull****.

College is a different world. A young person living under their parents' roof for 18 years is suddenly thrown into a place with no parents, thousands of other students their age, and is expected to make major life decisions on their own, and you think that what their parents have always taught them is going to stick 100%?

I've known people who were straight as an arrow in high school that turned into raging alcoholics in college. I also have a friend who didn't drink a drop of alcohol in college because she drank all throughout middle school and high school and she was trying to turn her life around.

Putting it all on the parents is ridiculous.

33girl · #6 02-02-2018, 02:19 AM

The no keg policies are what really sent everything flying off the rails. We drank beer because it was cheap and there. And while it can get you messed up if you drink 7 or 8, I have been to VERY few parties or mixers that didn't kick before that could even occur. We just plain didn't have that kind of money. (Which is another reason things have gone off the rails. Too many kids with credit cards.)

*winter* · #7 02-12-2018, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

I'm sorry, but this is bull****.

College is a different world. A young person living under their parents' roof for 18 years is suddenly thrown into a place with no parents, thousands of other students their age, and is expected to make major life decisions on their own, and you think that what their parents have always taught them is going to stick 100%?

I've known people who were straight as an arrow in high school that turned into raging alcoholics in college. I also have a friend who didn't drink a drop of alcohol in college because she drank all throughout middle school and high school and she was trying to turn her life around.

Putting it all on the parents is ridiculous.

Other 18 year olds are married, some are single parents, some are in Iraq or Afghanistan. You best believe they can, and should, be able to make major life decisions on their own. Only on college campuses are they treated as pseudo-adults until they're 22, or in some cases, even older. It's a cultural thing.

Maybe I was raised differently, but I had real talk about alcohol and drug use in my house growing up. Then again, I knew people who were out and out addicts and alcoholics, so I never wanted to grow up to be like those people. Kids are sheltered. They're protected from the realities of the world.

In the military, people join when they're 18, there's alcohol everywhere when you get to your first duty station (even AIT in some cases), yet you don't hear about those kids drinking themselves to death? There's drugs too- if you want them.

I get so sick of people on this site coddling college kids. Coddling them is what got them into the situation in the first place.

ASTalumna06 · #8 02-12-2018, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by *winter*

Other 18 year olds are married, some are single parents, some are in Iraq or Afghanistan. You best believe they can, and should, be able to make major life decisions on their own. Only on college campuses are they treated as pseudo-adults until they're 22, or in some cases, even older. It's a cultural thing.

Maybe I was raised differently, but I had real talk about alcohol and drug use in my house growing up. Then again, I knew people who were out and out addicts and alcoholics, so I never wanted to grow up to be like those people. Kids are sheltered. They're protected from the realities of the world.

In the military, people join when they're 18, there's alcohol everywhere when you get to your first duty station (even AIT in some cases), yet you don't hear about those kids drinking themselves to death? There's drugs too- if you want them.

I get so sick of people on this site coddling college kids. Coddling them is what got them into the situation in the first place.

I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me.

My point is that putting it all on the parents' shoulders when their kids misbehave in college is ridiculous. These students SHOULD be making major life decisions on their own, but many of them have never had to do that before. And when they gain that responsibility, they don't know what to do with it.

I do agree with most of your post. However, if you don't think that hazing and binge drinking occurs in the military, then I have a bridge to sell you.

*winter* · #9 02-12-2018, 03:13 PM

Then we agree. Sorry- I had been awake for like 30+ hours when I wrote that.

I know drinking exists in the military, I participated in it lol. I guess what I'm trying to say is it exists anywhere people are 18-25 in groups. It just seems like the deaths occur on college campuses. Young adults are drinking other places, and they're probably taking it too far, but the deaths seem to be happening on campuses. Something is going on here specifically- that's the question people need to answer to get to the bottom of this.