Florida State bans Greek Life After Student Death

[33girl]

Originally Posted by clemsongirl

I don't think it's fair to the multicultural and NPHC groups who had nothing to do with this action-how does telling them they can't host probates or perform community service help them learn from the behavior of a group they aren't associated with?

They're social Greek organizations. Not including them in the suspension would be pretty blatant discrimination.

ETA: not sure why they are saying Penn State suspended Greek Life. They just moved formal rush.

If this was an off campus party at a house that is not the fraternity house, how on earth is this a Greek issue?

[GreekOne]

At Penn State, one of the sanctions moving forward will be a $90/semester/member Greek participation fee. However, the MGC and NPHC fees are only $30/semester/member. This seems discriminatory to me. If all Greek councils are to be given the same rights, all should be under the same scrutiny. The handling of these issues never seems to be universal.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by GreekOne

At Penn State, one of the sanctions moving forward will be a $90/semester/member Greek participation fee. However, the MGC and NPHC fees are only $30/semester/member. This seems discriminatory to me. If all Greek councils are to be given the same rights, all should be under the same scrutiny. The handling of these issues never seems to be universal.

Groups already have fees built in to be members of IFC and Panhel. Unless they use it for something like bringing speakers to campus, I don't see how on earth the school can just charge people money for being in a certain type of organization. Where would this money go?

They're going to screw around and drive groups underground and then things will REALLY be a hot mess.

[PhilTau]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Where would this money go?

Would not really be that hard to justify. These two costs could easily eat up that $90/semester/member fee:

Insurance (assuming they can actually get it) .

Increase in Greek affairs office and legal staff to police/enforce university's hazing and alcohol policies.

[33girl]

The problem is they would have to actually hire these staff members and show they are doing absolutely nothing but working with Greek life. And if they get away with it, where does that end? Fees for intramural sports players for the extra wear and tear on the gym? Fees for students appearing in plays to cover the increased electric bills from the lighting?

It's a slippery slope.

[GreekOne]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Groups already have fees built in to be members of IFC and Panhel. Unless they use it for something like bringing speakers to campus, I don't see how on earth the school can just charge people money for being in a certain type of organization. Where would this money go?

They're going to screw around and drive groups underground and then things will REALLY be a hot mess.

The Student Affairs office is justifying this "Greek Tax" saying the money collected (totaling about $1.35 M/year) is to pay for staff to monitor social events. The supposed staff, which has not been hired, is to be 13 people. That is $100K/year to check on Greek social events. And since each organization is only permitted 10 socials/semester, that is an awful lot of $ for checking on roughly 400 parties in total. Doing the math, it comes to $3375/party. You could hire an entire security force for that. Something seems off to me.

Anyone affiliated with an NPC or IFC chapter will have this added to their Bursar bills so no getting around it. As I said, they are only charging the MGC and NPHC members $30/semester. I guess the university does not intend to monitor their social functions as aggressively.

[Sen's Revenge]

Originally Posted by clemsongirl

I don't think it's fair to the multicultural and NPHC groups who had nothing to do with this action-how does telling them they can't host probates or perform community service help them learn from the behavior of a group they aren't associated with?

I agree with this wholeheartedly, as do most Alphas I've seen chatting about this. But there's really nothing we can do. Our orgs haze, but in different ways, and we haven't solved those problems either.

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

Does anyone know what the NPC/NPHC/Multi-cultural groups' reactions have been to this (if any)? I wonder if on a national level many are hesitant to speak out until this occurs on a more frequent basis. From what I can tell, most of these recent incidents have happened at NIC fraternity chapters, and I wonder if there will eventually be statements made.

I imagine they're treading lightly not only because we're talking about the death of a student, but also in case anyone points the finger back at them, even for something that occurred in the distant past.

Exactly.

Originally Posted by 33girl

They're social Greek organizations. Not including them in the suspension would be pretty blatant discrimination.

Yes, we're all general fraternities and sororities, but I don't see anything wrong with a university deciding (or even dictating, really) what kinds of orgs would be subject to a mass suspension.

If Theta Nu Xi, an organization which I have literally NEVER heard of in a hazing scandal anywhere, which probably has less than 15 members, which has programming based on community service and multiculturalism, is caught up in this mass suspension, it's just not an equitable fix.

Nor is it equitable for APhiA, which doesn't have the culture which FSU's suspension is trying to fix. Our intake process isn't on the chapter level anyway.

I dunno, this just seems like throwing the baby out with the bathwater at every level.