You are not getting into any sorority with bad or mediocre grades.

[DubaiSis]

3.8 vs 3.9 wasn't the problem. And physical beauty is a factor, but it won't override a bad GPA.

[ari115]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

3.8 vs 3.9 wasn't the problem. And physical beauty is a factor, but it won't override a bad GPA.

maybe not, but this thread kind of gives the impression that if you don't have a very impressive GPA you won't be getting into any sororities, let alone top tier. I'm just saying I know girls who are living proof that's not exactly true, lol.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by ari115

maybe not, but this thread kind of gives the impression that if you don't have a very impressive GPA you won't be getting into any sororities, let alone top tier. I'm just saying I know girls who are living proof that's not exactly true, lol.

No, what we are saying is that if you don't meet the particular sorority's nationally set minimum and/or the chapter's voted on, in their bylaws minimum, you won't get in. (unless mom is the national president, etc). Just because PH allows you to register at a 2.5 or even lower does not mean that a single one of the chapters on that campus can pledge someone with that low a GPA.

[ari115]

Originally Posted by Titchou

No, what we are saying is that if you don't meet the particular sorority's nationally set minimum and/or the chapter's voted on, in their bylaws minimum, you won't get in. (unless mom is the national president, etc). Just because PH allows you to register at a 2.5 or even lower does not mean that a single one of the chapters on that campus can pledge someone with that low a GPA.

I understand that but a few posts back someone basically said you won't get a bid with a 3.1 GPA, which is untrue.

[Sister Havana]

Originally Posted by Titchou

Just because PH allows you to register at a 2.5 or even lower does not mean that a single one of the chapters on that campus can pledge someone with that low a GPA.

This. When I was at IU, the minimum GPA to go through recruitment was 2.5. However, most of the individual sororities’ minimum GPA requirements were significantly higher. Only a few sororities would even consider offering a second-round invite to someone with a 2.5. (Back then, it was partially deferred- round 1 was in October or November, then every other round was done after winter break - you’d come back a week early from break to do all the rest of the rounds, and you wouldn’t know who invited you back until you returned to campus. Now it’s totally deferred.)

These days, the PHA minimum has gone up to 2.8, and I imagine the individual organizations’ requirements are higher still. (I could only find the PHA minimum on their page.)

[honeychile]

I was at a graduation party last weekend, and the honoree's elder brother is in a fraternity. He & I talked, and he told me that the ADPi chapter at his school required a 3.75 for initiation. I was shocked, impressed, and dismayed, all at the same time!

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by rj74

Agreed, low grade girls get cut heavy. I'm mostly just disputing the mediocre part of the thread title, because a girl can most definitely, and most likely will, get in a sorority with mediocre grades. no one is getting released entirely from recruitment because of a 3.2. (which was clarified in the body paragraph, I just feel like having that in the title is misleading).

I would consider my grades at the time bad, so yeah my story is probably the exception. I was released entirely from my first recruitment. The second time around I did spring recruitment (which I recommend to anyone with a lower GPA, since they don't have to make as many heavy cuts in the beginning and they get to know your personality more), and not all sororities do spring recruitment on my campus. Only 4 of the 12 participated this year, I believe. So, were my options severely limited because of my grades, both times? Yes!!! But I got into the #1 house that I had been hoping for since the first time around and I couldn't be happier. I feel even more grateful knowing that even though i wasn't the ideal PNM on paper, they still saw something in me that made them want to have me as a sister.
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The bolded is my point. When you are going through recruitment with low grades, you are going to be limited.

If you don't care how many options you have, then go you.

However, I feel like every PNM needs to put themselves in the BEST position to maximize their options. Your GPA has the power to take chapter's off the table before you even start. Why do that to yourself? You basically shoot yourself in the foot before recruitment starts.

Ex: Let's say there are 5 chapters on campus. Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Kappa, Delta.

Alpha and Beta's GPA is a 3.5
Gamma is a 3.2
Kappa is a 3.0.
Delta is a 2.85.

If you have a 3.6, your grades are golden for every chapter. Are those a 4.0? No but you put yourself in the best spot to be able to consider everyone. Even if they cut you down the line, at least you are not getting cut on day one due to grades and you have the opportunity to meet everyone.

If you have a 3.1, can you still get a bid? Sure. You still have grades for Kappa and Delta, but you just limited your pool by 2 chapters.

5 options > being automatically limited to 2.

Sidenote: I don't know what school you're at but grades matter for spring recruitment as well. I've worked with collegiate chapters of my sorority at a number of schools and the GPA is still a requirement even during smaller spring recruitment. My chapters were not permitted to bid anyone below the minimum at any time.

You may have been a rare exception. Which is why I responded to this. Sure it is great you got a bid with a subpar GPA but I definitely do not want any PNMs thinking this happens all the time, you know?

Originally Posted by honeychile

I was at a graduation party last weekend, and the honoree's elder brother is in a fraternity. He & I talked, and he told me that the ADPi chapter at his school required a 3.75 for initiation. I was shocked, impressed, and dismayed, all at the same time!

Yes! I was recently at our Convention and I am routinely impressed with how high some of the HS GPA requirements are on our campuses.

[33girl]

Re spring recruitment, if anything sororities should probably look at grades MORE because if you’re doing it, you’re probably one of the smaller chapters, and (example) 5 rotten GPAs will mess up the average of a 123 person chapter more than that of a 200 person chapter.

[rj74]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

The bolded is my point. When you are going through recruitment with low grades, you are going to be limited.

If you don't care how many options you have, then go you.

However, I feel like every PNM needs to put themselves in the BEST position to maximize their options. Your GPA has the power to take chapter's off the table before you even start. Why do that to yourself? You basically shoot yourself in the foot before recruitment starts.

Ex: Let's say there are 5 chapters on campus. Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Kappa, Delta.

Alpha and Beta's GPA is a 3.5
Gamma is a 3.2
Kappa is a 3.0.
Delta is a 2.85.

If you have a 3.6, your grades are golden for every chapter. Are those a 4.0? No but you put yourself in the best spot to be able to consider everyone. Even if they cut you down the line, at least you are not getting cut on day one due to grades and you have the opportunity to meet everyone.

If you have a 3.1, can you still get a bid? Sure. You still have grades for Kappa and Delta, but you just limited your pool by 2 chapters.

5 options > being automatically limited to 2.

Sidenote: I don't know what school you're at but grades matter for spring recruitment as well. I've worked with collegiate chapters of my sorority at a number of schools and the GPA is still a requirement even during smaller spring recruitment. My chapters were not permitted to bid anyone below the minimum at any time.

You may have been a rare exception. Which is why I responded to this. Sure it is great you got a bid with a subpar GPA but I definitely do not want any PNMs thinking this happens all the time, you know?









Yes! I was recently at our Convention and I am routinely impressed with how high some of the HS GPA requirements are on our campuses.

I agree with everything you're saying, I think we're just making different points. I think girls are more likely to go into recruitment overly discouraged than overly confident, so if what you meant is that mediocre grades merely limit your options rather than obliterate them, than the thread title should've been less decisive or should've just focused on low grades. There's nothing a PNM can do about their grades at this point anyway, so i'm just trying to highlight how it's still worth trying provided they keep their expectations realistic and work on other important elements of the process.

I go to a SEC school with has a large, competitive Greek system. Arguably one of the better and more competitive ones in the country. Just as you wouldn't want PNM's to think my situation happens all the time, I don't want a PNM to think they are going to get released from recruitment so it's not even worth a shot anyway.

I understand where you are coming from though, I'm sure there's a lot of posts on here about "chances" with low gpa's from people not understanding the importance of grades in the process whatsoever, and that probably gets annoying. But I am just trying to speak encouragingly on the matter as someone who has been in the recruitment process recently.

Sorry if I implied grades don't matter in spring recruitment. What I meant was, because of the length and casual atmosphere of the parties, you get to meet more members and know them more than during a typical first day ice water round, where the low grade girls would be likely to experience heavy cuts. They have a better chance on making an impression that can help overcome a grade deficit.

[navane]

Originally Posted by ari115

maybe not, but this thread kind of gives the impression that if you don't have a very impressive GPA you won't be getting into any sororities, let alone top tier. I'm just saying I know girls who are living proof that's not exactly true, lol.

As a point of clarification, just because a sorority is not perceived as "top tier", that doesn't mean that they must be scraping the bottom of the GPA barrel.

[ari115]

Originally Posted by navane

As a point of clarification, just because a sorority is not perceived as "top tier", that doesn't mean that they must be scraping the bottom of the GPA barrel.

I never said they were. However, since the "top tier" houses have so many girls that want in, you would think their criteria would be more rigid and they would pick the girls with higher GPAs.

My best friend is in a "bottom tier" sorority and graduated with a 4.0.