Texas 2015

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by Longhorn Mom

On tiers: it's hard to get away from tier talk for anything. Universities are ranked, class rankings determine college acceptance, we get the top 100 restaurants, etc. This is standard stuff in life today....and it's OK. You are taking it personally and there is no need to do so.

I am going to try this...why I don't know...but here it goes. I do take it personally when someone tells a group of young women they are the bottom of the bottom or not quite "top" tier.

Why? Because I teach young women every day. Every day I see a teenage girl struggle because she doesn't feel quite good enough. Every day I see a teenage girl skip lunch because she feels if she were five pounds lighter, she might be good enough. Every day I see a girl stay with a boy who treats her less than she deserves because she feels she's the bottom of the bottom and he's popular. Every day I see the effects of labeling and stereotyping and I hate it. My students are more than test scores, they are more than a tier, they are more than what they know.

LM, stop spreading and upholding stereotypes. You have not personally met every young women in every chapter at UT. You may think you know, but you have no idea. This comes from a woman in a chapter that was not "top" tier but we had intramural champions, an Indy 500 princess, a pageant girl, several campus leadership positions. We did not care what fraternity boys said or where others felt we belonged on some social status continuum. We had one of the strongest sisterhoods on campus and still do as alumnae.

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[FSUZeta]

^this^

[Cheerio]

The first thing I think of when people mention Alpha Phi at Texas is the 2003 television documentary program Freshman Diaries. As far as I ever saw of that show, the campus Greek system was not mentioned even though it appeared to me (and one had to look very carefully) one young women featured in the show became a new member pledge in Alpha Phi.

[cinder1965]

Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap

I am going to try this...why I don't know...but here it goes. I do take it personally when someone tells a group of young women they are the bottom of the bottom or not quite "top" tier.

Why? Because I teach young women every day. Every day I see a teenage girl struggle because she doesn't feel quite good enough. Every day I see a teenage girl skip lunch because she feels if she were five pounds lighter, she might be good enough. Every day I see a girl stay with a boy who treats her less than she deserves because she feels she's the bottom of the bottom and he's popular. Every day I see the effects of labeling and stereotyping and I hate it. My students are more than test scores, they are more than a tier, they are more than what they know.

LM, stop spreading and upholding stereotypes. You have not personally met every young women in every chapter at UT. You may think you know, but you have no idea. This comes from a woman in a chapter that was not "top" tier but we had intramural champions, an Indy 500 princess, a pageant girl, several campus leadership positions. We did not care what fraternity boys said or where others felt we belonged on some social status continuum. We had one of the strongest sisterhoods on campus and still do as alumnae.

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BRAVO!!!!!!!

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by Longhorn Mom

I, too, teach kids each week in a class. And we rank and they rank and there are rankings all over and.....it's OK. Kids survive rankings. If they can't, they have deeper issues that need to be attended to by parents. Same with a person who thinks she needs to be 5# lighter in order to feel good about herself.

And why are you making the jump from rankings to students who are (obviously) more than test scores?! You read way too much into sorority rankings.

Maybe y'all are the ones with issues. I mean with the vitriol directed towards me and all, putting words in my mouth ("worthless trash??!! OMG!!), etc.

My daughter was upset when she wast cut from a house that she had her heart set on, but she enjoyed college life, made friends and kept going on down the road and is now having a wonderful time in her sorority. And she isn't imploding because she is in a self-described mid tier house.

And all of the girls who are in houses called "bottom tier" mostly don't care about those labels (but you all do), because the tiers aren't about self worth or human value and most people know that. Maybe sorority rankings are about financial philanthropic goals, campus leadership positions, family wealth and education level, the quality of high school one attended, SAT scores or just plain ol' connections or perceived Western-style beauty standards...or a mix of all of those things and more.

Listen, keeping score is a good thing. And all stereotypes contain a kernel of truth....and....that's OK, too......goodness. I don't know...I think the 'thin skin' lies elsewhere for sure! Did you give this same lecture to your sorority sister who dared to particpate in a pageant....which ranks everything? Or the intramural team that was subject to...ranking? And did she or the team need therapy to deal with the trauma of....being ranked?? lol

And this entire post is what is commonly known as irony, folks.

You really are something. Just like in the last thread, you don't know when to stop. Comrades True nailed it: shallow, indeed.

[33girl]

There's a difference between knowing something and hearing it said and seeing it written over and over and over and over again. And having it on the internet for people to read it for years to come over and over and over and over again.

If you honestly don't get that and honestly think the way you're conducting yourself is something to be proud of, I don't know what else to tell you.

[lake]

Which chapter pledged this woman's daughter?

[amillionlights]

Originally Posted by lake

Which chapter pledged this woman's daughter?

Alpha Phi at UT. She has since been on here recommending which schools they NOT colonize at so they don't damage their "brand" and helicopter mom-ing, trying to find out when and how to buy her daughter a badge, as if the chapter itself was incapable of handling that.

[jolene]

Originally Posted by amillionlights

Alpha Phi at UT. She has since been on here recommending which schools they NOT colonize at so they don't damage their "brand" and helicopter mom-ing, trying to find out when and how to buy her daughter a badge, as if the chapter itself was incapable of handling that.

Holy cow. Please tell me you're joking. However, I'm a lowly Alpha Xi.

[lake]

Originally Posted by amillionlights

Alpha Phi at UT. She has since been on here recommending which schools they NOT colonize at so they don't damage their "brand" and helicopter mom-ing, trying to find out when and how to buy her daughter a badge, as if the chapter itself was incapable of handling that.

Dear God. Well I knew it wasn't one of the "Jewish" houses because...well...we all know why, don't we?

[jolene]

Is it wrong to feel bad for APhi?

[irishpipes]

LM, I hope you will consider stepping away from the internet. I can't imagine APhi added too many women via COB. You have posted all kinds of identifying information about your daughter. It wouldn't take much for your posts to come to the attention of the chapter, and for the chapter to figure out whose mom you are. I am sure you would feel terrible if your daughter's Greek experience was compromised because of your lack of online judgment. As you yourself have posted, UT is exceptionally competitive, so a chapter can't allow one of its own members (via her mother) to cause embarrassment or unwanted attention. Even your posts supporting your daughter's pledgeship are overbearing. I am glad that you are excited for your daughter, but you are unintentionally bringing discredit to Alpha Phi and your daughter could pay the price for that. I am sure you think everyone on here is just being mean to you, but I post this out of genuine concern.

[lake]

Originally Posted by jolene

Is it wrong to feel bad for APhi?

No, because I was thinking that too. I had earlier even typed that out, but the chapter probably had no clue. Someone's true colors show over time. But unfortunately, with the short new member periods, the chapter won't fully realize the caliber of people this mother daughter duo are and what that will mean for them in the future when this girl is an initiated member and mom is overly involved in their affairs.

It makes me angry that someone who would drop out of recruitment after being left with options originally considered "less than" would then accept a bid from one of them. It's disgusting and offensive to me.

[Griffins&Quills]

What I find particularly funny is Longhorn Mom's commentary on every subject under the sun related to greek life (such as recommending where a national shouldn't colonize) when she herself was not greek.

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by Longhorn Mom

Maybe your angry because you don't like me and my kiddo got a bid from a terrific house in a super competitive greek system at an academically selective university....maybe you're jealous...I don't know.

And maybe my kiddo met some great girls and it opened her eyes to a house she had not considered....How unusual! You being disgusted and offended is a pretty over the top reaction. Save the outrage for something really outrageous.....lol!

Originally Posted by Longhorn Mom

I didn't name the sorority but you are naming one. So you must be trying to "out" us now, aren't you?! omg! If you're SO concerned about us supposedly bringing discredit to a house, then why would you be naming sororities?? Are you trying to sabotage something??! omg! Are you even an adult?? And you are "really glad that I'm excited for my daughter"??...haha...no, you aren't. You all sound bitter....like some past rankings have stuck in your hearts/minds and you can't let it go. Wow...bunch of hurt feelings all around from this group of ladies. As we say in volleyball...just shake it off. It will be OK.

Originally Posted by Longhorn Mom

...and let me say that 'genuine concern' is NOT what's happening! lol

It's come to this: you really ARE an idiot. You've reinforced that perception so strongly that now it is set in cement. Did you even READ the kind words IrishPipes had for you?

FYI - Lake is a Tri Delta. That was the chapter your daughter aspired to; in case you didn't know, I have a killer memory. Another surprise: I also had the foresight to save the thread you started back in August. Oh yeah. Uh huh. And I actually know far more about Texas than you could even imagine. Your assumptions have tripped you up on that, too.

Know what I think? I think YOU have proven beyond any doubt that you have major major major issues, including (but not limited to) an inferiority complex the size of Alaska. You were the one who outed your daughter.

lol, indeed. Not. Now just flounce and stop before you torpedo your daughter completely. Because that post you made on Greek Rank was atrocious. Just atrocious. And unlike GC it's not possible for you to edit or delete.

Oh, and for the record: don't even think about AI for APhi, because your behavior here has pretty much closed that door for you.