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10-05-2015, 09:54 AM
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Seeing just how many campus sexual assaults involve alcohol, I would think an organization violating alcohol or drug policies could be considered responsible, no? Or is that too circuitous a path?
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I'd say it depends. You'd have to do a very good job connecting the use of the alcohol to the offending behavior. It has to be a better connection than the sexual assault simply being one member's choice. You'd probably have to have some larger conspiracy and further be able to prove it--for Title IX or for civil purposes, by a preponderance of the evidence. [some editorializing--I hate that we use legal phrases like "preponderance of the evidence" and have this quasi-legal setting, but rules of evidence don't apply, hearsay can be evidence, etc., this leads potentially to some bad results]
But the fact that XYZ was having a party, that alcohol was made available and said member of XYZ did commit a sexual assault is probably not going to be enough for an organization to be found responsible.
Reaction to the event is also pretty critical. For example, if it is found that the response to a potential sexual assault in the chapter is an emergency meeting is called to get everyone's story straight to try and portray the alleged victim as someone who was in possession of her faculties who fully consented to the contact when that wasn't the case, I imagine the chapter could probably be found to be at fault here--if not for just the assault, but for creating a hostile environment.
If, on the other hand, a concerned brother contacts the President, who contacts the adviser, who contacts the Student Conduct Office to initiate an investigation, it's probably going to be much harder to conclude that the organization is responsible.
With Title IX around, fraternity chapters really need to do their best to have access to legal counsel. Alumni/ae advisory panels should always have a position for General Counsel to assist when these issues arise. Female organizations need to think about these things too as female-on-male sexual assault does exist and is mostly not reported, but as sexual assault awareness awareness increases as it is with this generation, the reporting of these sorts of incidents is sure to increase.
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10-05-2015, 11:52 AM
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But the fact that XYZ was having a party, that alcohol was made available and said member of XYZ did commit a sexual assault is probably not going to be enough for an organization to be found responsible.
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I was thinking more along the lines of "underage victim was drinking alcohol furnished by XYZ."
In any case, I found it very interesting that Title IX doesn't actually specify who is a mandatory reporter, so each university must make that decision on its own. The language of the act, however, says (paraphrasing) that the university must address sexual assaults reported to anyone the student could reasonably consider to be acting on behalf of the university.
It seems most schools are erring on the side of all faculty and virtually all staff that interact with students, including student activities advisers, but I haven't heard of any requiring training of non-staff who serve as volunteer advisers. And of course, there are pros and cons to such a mandate, as well. I would think, at the very least, that house mothers would be treated as mandatory reporters, as they are akin to RA's at most schools.
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10-06-2015, 03:31 PM
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It seems most schools are erring on the side of all faculty and virtually all staff that interact with students, including student activities advisers, but I haven't heard of any requiring training of non-staff who serve as volunteer advisers. And of course, there are pros and cons to such a mandate, as well. I
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I can't give specifics, but from working in risk management, there are some universities out there that are trying to get fraternity/sorority advisors to be mandatory reporters, even though they are volunteers with varying degrees of involvement & interactions with their chapters.
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10-06-2015, 06:07 PM
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I can't give specifics, but from working in risk management, there are some universities out there that are trying to get fraternity/sorority advisors to be mandatory reporters, even though they are volunteers with varying degrees of involvement & interactions with their chapters.
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Personally, I think it's better that they are not. Having a trusted adult to talk to in confidence could be very important to some students.
I think it's good that they be well-informed on the options available to students and trained to provide appropriate support and guidance, but I feel that a mandatory reporting requirement may deter their ability to provide that support.
As it stands right now, if a member of the chapter I work with were to come to me to discuss a private manner, I would not be able to do so.
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10-06-2015, 06:26 PM
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I can't give specifics, but from working in risk management, there are some universities out there that are trying to get fraternity/sorority advisors to be mandatory reporters, even though they are volunteers with varying degrees of involvement & interactions with their chapters.
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I recently received correspondence that advisers at my campus are considered "campus security authorities" and are thus required to report certain crimes that I either directly observe or hear second hand such as sexual assault, domestic abuse, or stalking. I'm honestly not sure how I feel about it, especially outside direct observation.
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10-07-2015, 01:04 AM
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This is something I've often wondered about. I'm an advisor with no other affiliation to the university, and while they have thorough and helpful resources for students regarding title IX/sexual misconduct, they have no readily available information on their mandatory reporting policies. As far as I'm aware, I have no mandatory obligations, but would love to know for certain.
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10-12-2015, 10:21 PM
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I'm an advisor that works on campus but also in a confidential role so the Title IX stuff for me is so messed up. The one thing out university has just done is create a program where students (who are not mandatory reporters) in each organization are trained on policy and procedure to help the students have someone in their organization that they can go to if they are not sure about something.
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11-08-2015, 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by amIblue?
I recently received correspondence that advisers at my campus are considered "campus security authorities" and are thus required to report certain crimes that I either directly observe or hear second hand such as sexual assault, domestic abuse, or stalking. I'm honestly not sure how I feel about it, especially outside direct observation.
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We just did our fall advisor meeting for the school I'm an advisor at and we had a presentation by the director of title IX on campus. Found out the same information as amIblue? posted, except that only the chapter advisor is a "campus security authority". All other advisor for the chapter are not mandated reporters. I thought it was interesting the school made the distinction.
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11-08-2015, 08:19 PM
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We just did our fall advisor meeting for the school I'm an advisor at and we had a presentation by the director of title IX on campus. Found out the same information as amIblue? posted, except that only the chapter advisor is a "campus security authority". All other advisor for the chapter are not mandated reporters. I thought it was interesting the school made the distinction.
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Maybe the Chapter Advisor is because she has contact with university greek life staff?
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