License to Discriminate laws

[honeychile]

People realize that there are now twenty states with such a law, don't they? From the Washington Post: "19 states that have ‘religious freedom’ laws like Indiana’s that no one is boycotting"

For those not wishing to check out the map, the states are:

Alabama
Connecticut
Florida
Idaho
Illinois
Indiana
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Nebraska
New Mexico
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
Rhode Island
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Virginia

"Note: Arizona is included in the map of states with a Religious Freedom Restoration Act despite the veto of the controversial SB 1062 in 2014, because a RFRA bill was passed in 2012."

[Nanners52674]

So this year the Supreme Court is going to rule on same sex marriage, and States are doing this. I swear it's 2 steps forward, one step back.

[Nanners52674]

Ad letting people know Indiana us great for bigots lol

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5LH2FVxrj4k

[ZetaPhi708.20]

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

Ad letting people know Indiana us great for bigots lol

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5LH2FVxrj4k

Damn. I was just going to post that.

Hell, I will post it anyway.

https://youtu.be/5LH2FVxrj4k

[ZetaPhi708.20]

Here is a ever-growing list of the businesses that are or will be taking their staffs elsewhere instead of Indiana:

Gen-Con (calls to move this convention)
Salesforce
Angie's List
NCAA (calls to move the final Four)
Seattle and San Francisco (restrictions and/or travel bans by their mayors for state/employee business to IN)
Church pulls its convention from IN (sorry, I forgot which domination)


Any others?

[Nanners52674]

I wish they could pack up and move next weekends final four. That'd be a quick message.

Any lawyers know if a suit will be brought against the law?

[1964Alum]

The 1786 Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom removed the Anglican church from being the official religion of the state and provided for religious freedom. It essentially established the separation of church and state.

Homosexuals may now marry in Virginia.

ETA: I realize that the above is not the same as the Religious Freedom Restoration Act in
Virginia! It is being primarily applied to homeschoolers. Rights of homosexuals have actually been expanded.

http://www.hslda.org/hs/state/va/200704230.asp

[Nanners52674]

NSFW!!!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cUA9m-g12ag

Hilarious response to the law, in song.

[naraht]

One thing that I think has to be appreciated in this is that the following two ideas will poll significantly differently:
1) A Cake shop on the block can refuse to make a "congratulations on your marriage Bill and Mark" with two grooms on the top" and send them to the Cake shop down the block.
2) The only Grocery store for 50 miles in any direction can refuse to allow a gay man to shop there.

But while they poll differently, it would be pretty much impossible to write a law that would allow one, but not the other.

[Nanners52674]

Can this be challenged in court?

Pence clearly never learned that business and profit are often more important than religion. People care about beliefs but only to a point, causing major corporations to lose money isn't smart. Hobby Lobby is an outlier, not the norm.

[DubaiSis]

While other states have gotten away with similar actions, clearly this was a tipping point. I'm ok with the world blasting Indiana over this and affecting real change because it will put the breaks on the people who I believe don't care nearly as much about religious freedom as they do about the almighty dollar. You can get a lot of people to come out to Chik-Fil-A in support of their bigotry, but you can't get anyone to attend a basketball tournament if the tournament committee won't allow the game to be held there. I think the biggest changes in our culture have been due to 3 things - the US military, sports and music. Those are pretty huge parts of our culture, and if bands won't play there and sporting events can't be held there (Uncle Sam has already gotten on board with doing the right thing, at least on paper), then the culture WILL change.

Now if we could just get the wing nuts to quit breeding we could let these attitudes die off in a generation or so.

[exlurker]

Some sports figures who will be involved in showing opposition to the Indiana law are mentioned :

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gay-a...ry?id=30031564

This is in line with something DubaiSis said:

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

While other states have gotten away with similar actions, clearly this was a tipping point. I'm ok with the world blasting Indiana over this and affecting real change because it will put the breaks on the people who I believe don't care nearly as much about religious freedom as they do about the almighty dollar. You can get a lot of people to come out to Chik-Fil-A in support of their bigotry, but you can't get anyone to attend a basketball tournament if the tournament committee won't allow the game to be held there. I think the biggest changes in our culture have been due to 3 things - the US military, sports and music. Those are pretty huge parts of our culture, and if bands won't play there and sporting events can't be held there (Uncle Sam has already gotten on board with doing the right thing, at least on paper), then the culture WILL change.

Now if we could just get the wing nuts to quit breeding we could let these attitudes die off in a generation or so.

[ZetaPhi708.20]

Now, it is Arkansas' turn:

https://twitter.com/hashtag/BoycottArkansas?src=tren

[33girl]

Here's my question. Who introduced this bill in the Indiana legislature? Which Indiana legislators voted for it? Did they vote for it because there was a public referendum for them to do so?

Because unless this bill was favored by most of the population of the state, I really don't understand why people or corporations think boycotting is the answer. None of those politicians are going to be immediately affected - the guy selling popcorn in the stands at the NCAA game is.

[exlurker]

Hey, everybody, do you recall that Arkansas' governor, Asa Hutchinson, said repeatedly that he would sign the bill the state legislature passed? Reportedly, his office on Tuesday said he'd sign it?

Well, forget those statements / promises, whatever you want to call them. He has somehow or other discovered that the bill needs some work. I guess this is what you'd call a road-to-Damascus moment for him. There's a new statement out :

http://www.timesunion.com/news/us/ar...us-6172669.php

Folks, I personally heart politicians with loudly stated convictions that can change so fast it'd make your head spin.

To be serious, I truly appreciate what Wal-Mart, Apple, Gap (which includes Banana Republic and Old Navy), the NACAA, and on and on, have said and done on this issue.