University fo Okahoma-Sigma Alpha Epsilon-Racial Chant

[Kevin]

One less thing.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Thank God, students at UGA are now safe from the horror of racist hoop skirts.

http://onlineathens.com/uga/2015-03-...aternity-video

Wow. That seems rather treating the symptoms and ignoring the problem. Besides, you and I both know sometimes you just need a good farthingale to feel like a pretty princess.

[SWTXBelle]

Next up - corsets and petticoats have GOT TO GO. Who knew the problem was so easy to solve?

[AlphaFrog]

If we only thought to do this in the 1700's many nasty revolutions probably could have been avoided.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I don't think I'm a racist, but that doesn't mean I'm free of the subtle racisms pervading the society of which I am part of the majority. Personally, I think it's healthier to admit that and try to be on guard for it than to deceive myself into thinking that I don't have a racist bone in my body.

My sinuses are not happy at all right now, so apologies if this isn't making any sense.

I mostly agree with you. We were all brought up in a racist system, and we either work to dismantle that or we don't. That's why things like internalized racism exist, and why "not seeing race" is still a problem.

But I don't think that minimizing the actions of men who sang about lynching really helps in any way. They don't actually hate black people? Great, but their actions are still reinforcing the status quo.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

But I don't think that minimizing the actions of men who sang about lynching really helps in any way. They don't actually hate black people? Great, but their actions are still reinforcing the status quo.

Absolutely. I hope I didn't come across as minimizing their actions; that was not my intent. I certainly think they should be criticized and held accountable for racist behavior. I just would focus on the racist behavior of the SAEs rather than focusing on the SAEs as racists.

[SOM]

Sigma Alpha Epsilon National Fraternity apologizes, unveils diversity plan to combat racial intolerance http://fw.to/6tsExBW

[33girl]

SMH. This will do nothing to solve any problem. As with everything, the people who need to hear it the most will listen the least. Get rid of the chapters that espouse racist views and quit acting like the fraternity makes the person.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by 33girl

SMH. This will do nothing to solve any problem. As with everything, the people who need to hear it the most will listen the least. Get rid of the chapters that espouse racist views and quit acting like the fraternity makes the person.

+1

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by 33girl

SMH. This will do nothing to solve any problem. As with everything, the people who need to hear it the most will listen the least. Get rid of the chapters that espouse racist views and quit acting like the fraternity makes the person.

But it still wouldn't be good enough for some people and there is a reason these diversity workshops seem to be the go-to solution. It gives a sense of pro-activness.

[SOM]

How we made ‪#‎SAE‬ the most diverse frat in our Texas school's history http://wpo.st/PIP90 Sigma Alpha Epsilon Fraternity

[PinkSkyAtNight]

Hoops skirts don't make people racist. But hoop skirts worn in the context of celebrating "Southern Roots" is a visual reminder of the Confederacy and all the things that go with it. So if you don't want to portray yourself as racist to outsiders, perhaps a little distance from costumes of that era would be a good idea. Too bad that people couldn't come to this realization on their own prior to this mandate.

[Kevin]

Some folks are still brought up with this lionized notion of the way things used to be in the antebellum South. Other people simply don't care whether others see them as racist... and some actually would prefer to be seen as racist.

It's still quite common, for example to see the Stars and Bars in Oklahoma.. and until just a few years ago, it still flew over the state capitol.

[naraht]

I do wonder how long someone could fly the original flag of the Confederacy before they'd be asked to take it down (the 7 or 9 or 11 or 13 stars in the Canton and the Red-White-Red 3 horizontal stripes).

I'd be surprised if 2% of the American populace would recognize it...

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Kevin

It's still quite common, for example to see the Stars and Bars in Oklahoma.. and until just a few years ago, it still flew over the state capitol.

Originally Posted by naraht

I do wonder how long someone could fly the original flag of the Confederacy before they'd be asked to take it down (the 7 or 9 or 11 or 13 stars in the Canton and the Red-White-Red 3 horizontal stripes).

That original flag, not the flag that people typically think of as "the Confederate flag," is the Stars and Bars. What people think of as "the Confederate flag" is a variation on the battle flag.

While the Stars and Bars does carry some baggage purely by association with the Confederacy and what it stood for, it doesn't carry all the baggage that the battle flag does because it was the latter flag that was adopted and used extensively by the Klan, by white supremacists and by segragationists decades after the Civil War.