Would you pledge a transsexual?

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by Terminus1909

I could leave an open bucket of sulfuric acid inside the front door to my fraternity and trust the good judgment of everyone in my house not to playfully splash it on each other. But there's no reason to do that. The unrealized danger of placing an open bucket of sulfuric acid inside the front door - as tiny as it may be - outweighs the benefit to the fraternity of having sulfuric acid laying about.



The eff is a housemother?

Let us pause to consider the plight of these poor men who simply cannot control themselves to not rape and splash sulfuric acid upon one another.

[Terminus1909]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

Let us pause to consider the plight of these poor men who simply cannot control themselves to not rape and splash sulfuric acid upon one another.

I've never used the word "rape." The previous poster ran in here, waving her arms in the air and screaming the R-word. So you'll have to address that question to her.

My concern is for the violation of the other pledges. For instance, in my house we had group showers. Would it be right for me to assume that all of this individual's pledge brothers would be comfortable showering with an anatomical woman?

Houses are shuttered all the time for hazing on charges of compelling pledges to be nude in front of members of the opposite sex. If my pledges showed up on move-in day and were informed that, in order to perform basic human hygiene functions, they would be required to expose themselves to an anatomical woman, what risk would be assuming? Fraternities operate on a razor-edge in the current environment. There doesn't need to be an intention of ill-will, anything that offers even a whiff of suspicion can be used to close a chapter. Any situation that, after being retold 12 times, can evolve into something iffy-sounding when it's splashed across the front page of the campus newspaper should not be a situation in which one should voluntarily choose to place their house. You can howl at the sky and bemoan that all you want, I suppose, but you sound pretty wild-eyed and reckless when you do.

[33girl]

Just because there are group showers, doesn't mean a group has to shower in them. (Does ANY fraternity have this nowadays? Were there no curtains or what?)

And do you seriously not know what a housemother is?

[Terminus1909]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Just because there are group showers, doesn't mean a group has to shower in them. (Does ANY fraternity have this nowadays? Were there no curtains or what?)

You've never heard of a gang shower? Have you ever been to a gym?

And if 80% of the house has a 9:30 class, yeah, groups do shower together unless you don't want anyone sitting next to you in your POLI SCI 201 lecture.

Originally Posted by 33girl

And do you seriously not know what a housemother is?

I've seen housemothers in composite photos from the 30s and 40s. I didn't know they still existed anywhere, or what they did when they did exist. And I don't know a single other fraternity or sorority on my campus which had one; we had close to 40 residential GLOs with housed memberships ranging from ~20 to 100 (the latter in the case of SAEs and TEKEs).

Maybe they still have them at like Christian or religious GLOs or something?

[33girl]

They still have housemothers. At colleges and GLOs that are definitely not restricted to "religious" or "Christian" members.

http://family.auburn.edu/profiles/bl...frat-house-mom
http://www.alligator.org/news/local/...9bb2963f4.html

I'm pretty sure anyone who has an issue with group showering (be it genitalia or just plain shyness) finds a way around taking a shower when everyone else is. Also, why do you automatically assume that everyone would live in the house? Many people don't, for various reasons.

And yes I've been to gyms, and I know this will shock you, but I haven't been in the men's locker room.

[Terminus1909]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Also, why do you automatically assume that everyone would live in the house? Many people don't, for various reasons.

It's a statement of fact, not an assumption. The opinion I expressed was specific to my house. And, at my house, everyone lived-in as a pledge, that was a requirement. I don't know of any other fraternity on my campus where the house was just a dorm with letters that people could opt-in or out-of at will. I think co-residency is a vital component of the bonding experience.

Do you mind if I ask what kind of school you attended? Things like housemothers and non-residential GLOs is not something to which I can relate; I suspect our different experiences may be the source of our different worldviews.

Originally Posted by 33girl

http://family.auburn.edu/profiles/bl...frat-house-mom

Thanks for this, I didn't know those existed in this day-in-age. That said, I am certainly glad we did not have a housemother; a fraternity is a wonderful experience in self-government that is important in molding adults. A babysitter for 20 and 21 year-old men seems incredibly juvenilizing.

I also would not want a house mother who is wandering around the halls calling our fraternity a "frat house" like "Ms. Mary." I also find this - Ms. Mary tries to direct these young men in the traditions and foundation of Kappa Alpha in order for the betterment of the fraternity and the betterment of these young men. - interesting. It sounds like KA's traditions and principles are like laundry, anyone can teach you how to do it. And that's fine, I don't begrudge them that. However, I think some ante-bellum fraternities have more enduring and complex foundations for which a non-frater may not be the best guide.

[Terminus1909]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Also, why do you automatically assume that everyone would live in the house? Many people don't, for various reasons.

It's a positive statement of fact, not an assumption. As indicated, the opinion I expressed was specific to my house. And, at my house, everyone lived-in as a pledge, that was a concrete requirement, and one I would be anathema to see changed as co-residency is an important component of the bonding experience. (I don't know of any other fraternities on my campus where the house was just a dorm with letters that people could opt-in or out-of at will, though I never took a survey.)

As to the various what-if scenarios you're throwing out - sure, if we had showers with titanium privacy cones that robotically descended over us, and an alarm that went off when someone got undressed that said "WARNING! A PENIS IS EXPOSED!", and our pledges slept in their junior high bunkbeds back at mom and dads, and a random old lady was camped out in the basement of the chapter house, etc., then sure, no problem, bring in the pre-op transsexuals. (Though, honestly, this sounds like a slightly neurotic/very low tier fraternity I probably would not have pledged in the first place - not because of the pre-op transsexuals, but because of everything else.)

Originally Posted by 33girl

http://family.auburn.edu/profiles/bl...frat-house-mom

Thanks for this, I didn't know those existed in this day-in-age. That said, I am certainly glad we did not have a housemother; a fraternity is a wonderful experience in self-government that is important in molding adults. A babysitter for 20 and 21 year-old men seems incredibly juvenilizing.

I also would not want a house mother who is schlepping up and down the halls in her bathrobe calling our fraternity a "frat house" like "Ms. Mary." I also find this - Ms. Mary tries to direct these young men in the traditions and foundation of Kappa Alpha in order for the betterment of the fraternity and the betterment of these young men. - interesting. It sounds like KA2's traditions and principles are like laundry, anyone can teach you how to do it. And that's fine, it's not a criticism of KA2. However, others should respect the idea that some ante-bellum fraternities have more enduring and complex foundations for which a non-frater may not be the best guide.

[KDCat]

If you are new here, you might not want to start off by criticizing Kappa Alpha or any other group. Be polite.

You might also want to avoid parading your bigotry and discriminatory intent towards people who are trans. It appears that you started a thread merely for the purpose of saying "Oooooh, icky!" Grow up.