Yale's Comprehensive Sexual Misconduct Guide

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by honorgal

I think every allegation should be taken seriously and examined thoroughly.

You should put this in your signature to override anything you type to the contrary.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

You should put this in your signature to override anything you type to the contrary.

Not necessary. I have never typed anything to the contrary of allegations being taken seriously and examined thoroughly.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by honorgal

Not necessary. I have never typed anything to the contrary of allegations being taken seriously and examined thoroughly.

So your posts about "silent consent" and "victims who didn't resist" didn't come across as dismissing certain claims?

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

So your posts about "silent consent" and "victims who didn't resist" didn't come across as dismissing certain claims?

No, read what I said again. Are you saying that ALL allegations have to be found to have merit and result in charges and a guilty finding?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by honorgal

No, read what I said again.

Read your post yourself.

Originally Posted by honorgal

In some cases, I would easily call it rape. In others, such as the facts presented by Swarthmore co-ed, I would not.

ETA: In addition to your previous posts about your silent sex with your husband and how someone who is really being victimized would not be silent during the victimization.

You are not just saying that all claims should be investigated. You are not just saying that not every claim is legitimate. We all already know these things.

What you are saying is that if it isn't easily "called rape" by people such as yourself then that is problematic which comes across as dismissive. Do you not see how this viewpoint doesn't challenge better handling of claims but, instead, encourages what is already happening in the dismissal of claims that do not automatically fit the "formula of rape"?

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Read your post yourself.



You are not just saying that all cases should be investigated. You are not just saying that not every claim is legitimate. We all already know these things.

What you are saying is that if it isn't easily "called rape" by people such as yourself then that is problematic which comes across as dismissive. Do you not see how this viewpoint doesn't challenge better handling of claims but, instead, encourages what is already happening in the dismissal of claims that do not automatically fit the "formula of rape"?

Okay, so you ARE saying that ALL allegations have to result in charges and guilty findings.

We've looked at a very specific claim, with a specific set of facts. An example. There is nothing problematic with saying every allegation should be taken seriously and examined thoroughly AND then looking at a specific claim and saying no, that wouldn't be considered rape. That's what colleges are doing all over the country. If you think we should just ajudicate EVERY claim as guilty of rape, why don't you just come out and say it?

People such as myself? You mean like the administration at the ultra-liberal Swarthmore?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by honorgal

Okay, so you ARE saying that ALL allegations have to result in charges and guilty findings.

You are hopefully better at reading than that.

Originally Posted by honorgal

We've looked at a very specific claim, with a specific set of facts. An example. There is nothing problematic with saying every allegation should be taken seriously and examined thoroughly AND then looking at a specific claim and saying no, that wouldn't be considered rape.

You said "such as the facts presented..." which implies that you are making a general statement from the Swarthmore example.

It is not as though you are not "calling it rape" based on a full investigation. You are not "calling it rape" based on particular details for which you find implausible. Again, your "silent consent" and your disbelief in "silent victims".