Yale's Comprehensive Sexual Misconduct Guide

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

Actually, it was AGDee who asked you (for what I assume to be clarification about your position on this) the question below, which is still unanswered:


Is that what you're saying? IS her lack of physically fighting back what prevents this from being considered rape in your mind?

I thought both of you asked the same thing and that I was answering you both. Sorry if I did not make that clear. It's a straw-man argument, with regard to the Swarthmore case.

I can only wonder why she's on such a campaign.

It's in the news a lot. And more interesting to me as a topic than badges or recruitment.

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by honorgal

It's a straw-man argument, with regard to the Swarthmore case.

It's not a straw-man argument at all. In fact, it's not even an argument. It's simply a question. Is her lack of physically fighting back what prevents you from considering the situation rape?

I get that the Swathmore case is difficult because of the relationship the two had previously had; I know lines aren't always so clearly drawn in the sand. But, in my opinion, when a woman says no and a man has sex with her anyway, that's rape whether the woman physically fought back or not.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

It's not a straw-man argument at all. In fact, it's not even an argument. It's simply a question. Is her lack of physically fighting back what prevents you from considering the situation rape?

. No. It wasn't even a factor in the Swarthmore case. That's why its a straw man.

I get that the Swathmore case is difficult because of the relationship the two had previously had; I know lines aren't always so clearly drawn in the sand. But, in my opinion, when a woman says no and a man has sex with her anyway, that's rape whether the woman physically fought back or not.

How about when the situation is reversed? A woman initiates, the man says no, and the woman persists? Is that rape?

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

I get that the Swathmore case is difficult because of the relationship the two had previously had; I know lines aren't always so clearly drawn in the sand. But, in my opinion, when a woman says no and a man has sex with her anyway, that's rape whether the woman physically fought back or not.

I'm not questioning why she didn't physically fight back. I do question why you would encourage such a total lack of agency in college women. I find it absurd. And dangerous.