Baby tests positive for illegal drugs? Arrest the mom.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by 33girl

And the other thing that kills me is...I have friends (middle class and white) who have asked for hysterectomies or tubal ligations and had doctors refuse because "you're too young to know what you want" and "you may want babies someday. You are a woman, of course!" But that's a different thread and a different struggle, I suppose.

I have a friend who has been trying to 10 years to get her tubes tied. What you've quoted above is the same crap she hears from doctors every time she asks about the procedure. No one has agreed to do the surgery for her, and she's 30 years old and married to someone who also doesn't want kids. She's basically begged doctors to do it, and they still refuse. It's ridiculous and sad. She has struggled taking birth control, as she usually suffers numerous side effects, and the last thing she wants to do is have an abortion (if she were to accidentally get pregnant).

Sometimes, even if you try to do everything right, there are still people out there who will refuse to allow it.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Let's spread the wealth.. give drug addicts free money in reparations. You don't do anything but talk shit about any proposal to fix the issue. You are not part of the solution. You're part of the problem. If idiots like you would get out of the way, we could have this issue tackled in a couple generations.

Oh, the irony.

Originally Posted by Kevin

#firstworldproblems. Our middle class "struggles" are certainly struggles, but no middle class income person is really worried about whether they will have shelter or the basic necessities.

There have been PLENTY of middle class families struggling over recent years to try to put food on the table and a roof over their families' heads. The economy tanked, in case you forgot. How do you suppose some of these poor people became poor? Sometimes, it's because they were in the middle class and a shitty situation led them to live in homeless shelters with their 3 kids.

ETA: What even constitutes "middle class" nowadays? It doesn't seem that anyone can agree on an answer.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

There have been PLENTY of middle class families struggling over recent years to try to put food on the table and a roof over their families' heads. The economy tanked, in case you forgot. How do you suppose some of these poor people became poor? Sometimes, it's because they were in the middle class and a shitty situation led them to live in homeless shelters with their 3 kids.

ETA: What even constitutes "middle class" nowadays? It doesn't seem that anyone can agree on an answer.

Quoted For Truth.

The latest economic downturn, job loss, and foreclosed home crisis were not only about "poor people". It was primarily people who were considered middle class who had not accumulated wealth and lived paycheck to paycheck. These people were living a relative good life with a house, cars, other materials. Many of them believed the pro-reproduction hype and thought they were financially and mentally prepared for kids. Wrong. But too late now. Now they need to find financial and emotional resources to help them stay afloat. More cities are assisting the middle class (i.e., mortgage assistance for teachers) instead of all resources going to the poor. The goal is to help middle class stay afloat so fewer middle class will trickle into poverty. It isn't as difficult as people like Kevin believe.

So, if poor people are going to be scrutinized, also knock on the doors of the non-poor. The non-poor don't get to hide.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

I have a friend who has been trying to 10 years to get her tubes tied. What you've quoted above is the same crap she hears from doctors every time she asks about the procedure. No one has agreed to do the surgery for her, and she's 30 years old and married to someone who also doesn't want kids. She's basically begged doctors to do it, and they still refuse. It's ridiculous and sad. She has struggled taking birth control, as she usually suffers numerous side effects, and the last thing she wants to do is have an abortion (if she were to accidentally get pregnant).

Maybe she needs to get a t-shirt made with Susan Smith's face on it and wear it to her next appointment.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Maybe she needs to get a t-shirt made with Susan Smith's face on it and wear it to her next appointment.

Or get a new OBGYN.

People in some cities are compiling lists of OBGYNs who stick with their training void of bias. There are OBGYNs who without challenge do tubal libations for women without children and women done having children.

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Or get a new OBGYN.

People in some cities are compiling lists of OBGYNs who stick with their training void of bias. There are OBGYNs who without challenge do tubal libations for women without children and women done having children.

Its appalling that it's come to this. That men can get snipped no questions but women have to argue and find a willing doctor. Yet another way to keep women barefoot in the kitchen.

[33girl]

I know men that were snipped before they were even old enough to drink.* I'm sure the excuse is "oh it's so much easier to reverse." But still BS.

*An ex was one of those. He said it was because he never wanted to be completely responsible for another human being. Some people would call that selfish, but if anything, it's the total opposite - to know yourself and be true to yourself enough that you can admit that and fly in the face of convention. The selfish people are the ones who have kids just because they're "suppposed" to and grit their teeth through every minute of it.