Baby tests positive for illegal drugs? Arrest the mom.

[DrPhil]

Kevin, and anyone who believes as he does, is a bigot with limited exposure. He very much deserves to be badgered and called names. There is no need to apologetically question or coddle Kevin. He is an adamant asshole and knows exactly what he's saying. People like Kevin do a lot of damage to societies. Social policies should not be based on such inaccurate and inconsistent views of the poor and middle class.

/we all have our views that rub other people the wrong way but people like Kevin can fuck off a million times

[als463]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Kevin is a bigot with limited exposure. Social policies should not be based on such inaccurate views of the poor and middle class.

Well, I'm trying not to jump to that conclusion. I'm willing to bet that there are a lot of people who think just like him. I at least give him credit for saying it out loud and not keeping it to himself. If nothing else, we can agree that Kevin says what he is thinking.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by als463

Well, I'm trying not to jump to that conclusion.

Thank goodness Kevin isn't a politician. He'd be expressing his bigotry and stupidity and you'd be waiting patiently for the Golden Compass. Meanwhile, the uneducated bigotry has been inserted in the policies and laws.

Originally Posted by als463

I'm willing to bet that there are a lot of people who think just like him. I at least give him credit for saying it out loud and not keeping it to himself. If nothing else, we can agree that Kevin says what he is thinking.

Kevin isn't the first person to express these bigoted viewpoints. Everything he types has been said by plenty of people over the generations. I talk to people everyday who hold these viewpoints and I read about these viewpoints everyday. To hell with all of them. People don't get props for expressing uninformed and uneducated opinions. No thanks and no props.

[als463]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Thank goodness Kevin isn't a politician. He'd be expressing his bigotry and stupidity and you'd be waiting patiently for the Golden Compass. Meanwhile, the uneducated bigotry has been inserted in the policies and laws.



Kevin isn't the first person to express these bigoted viewpoints. Everything he types has been said by plenty of people over the generations. I talk to people everyday who hold these viewpoints and I read about these viewpoints everyday. To hell with all of them. People don't get props for expressing uninformed and uneducated opinions. No thanks and no props.

Hey now. I'm trying to put an optimistic spin on it. I remember saying to one of my LGBTQI friends, "I'd rather know who is bigoted towards me than to wonder." I am not LGBTQI. I was using the example that if someone discriminated against me, I'd rather know their feelings so that I don't patronize their establishment than to give money to people who hate me simply for being me. While his statements are uneducated in nature, there are many people who actually feel like him (as you noted).

I wish there was an easier way to rid the world of poverty and unfair conditions. I don't know how we can do that. Let's talk about some suggestions how we can make things better and advocate for marginalized populations.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Kevin, and anyone who believes as he does, is a bigot with limited exposure. He very much deserves to be badgered and called names. There is no need to apologetically question or coddle Kevin. He is an adamant asshole and knows exactly what he's saying. People like Kevin do a lot of damage to societies. Social policies should not be based on such inaccurate and inconsistent views of the poor and middle class.

/we all have our views that rub other people the wrong way but people like Kevin can fuck off a million times

As I said, I do volunteer work in our juvenile justice system representing children in deprived cases at no cost. I literally deal with the worst of the worst and I have worked on hundreds of cases. Unless it is your full time job to work with these demographics, I have a lot more experience at it than you do.

I doubt you've met many women who have given back double-digit numbers of kids to the state because they keep being born addicted to meth. I've represented the children of more than one.

Generational poverty is a thing. The proposed program would put a real dent in it. Especially among those with addiction issues.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

...I have a lot more experience at it than you do.

No, you don't.

And your supposed experience is completely wasted on you. You completely miss the point.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by 33girl

And the other thing that kills me is...I have friends (middle class and white) who have asked for hysterectomies or tubal ligations and had doctors refuse because "you're too young to know what you want" and "you may want babies someday. You are a woman, of course!" But that's a different thread and a different struggle, I suppose.

I have a friend who has been trying to 10 years to get her tubes tied. What you've quoted above is the same crap she hears from doctors every time she asks about the procedure. No one has agreed to do the surgery for her, and she's 30 years old and married to someone who also doesn't want kids. She's basically begged doctors to do it, and they still refuse. It's ridiculous and sad. She has struggled taking birth control, as she usually suffers numerous side effects, and the last thing she wants to do is have an abortion (if she were to accidentally get pregnant).

Sometimes, even if you try to do everything right, there are still people out there who will refuse to allow it.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Let's spread the wealth.. give drug addicts free money in reparations. You don't do anything but talk shit about any proposal to fix the issue. You are not part of the solution. You're part of the problem. If idiots like you would get out of the way, we could have this issue tackled in a couple generations.

Oh, the irony.

Originally Posted by Kevin

#firstworldproblems. Our middle class "struggles" are certainly struggles, but no middle class income person is really worried about whether they will have shelter or the basic necessities.

There have been PLENTY of middle class families struggling over recent years to try to put food on the table and a roof over their families' heads. The economy tanked, in case you forgot. How do you suppose some of these poor people became poor? Sometimes, it's because they were in the middle class and a shitty situation led them to live in homeless shelters with their 3 kids.

ETA: What even constitutes "middle class" nowadays? It doesn't seem that anyone can agree on an answer.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

There have been PLENTY of middle class families struggling over recent years to try to put food on the table and a roof over their families' heads. The economy tanked, in case you forgot. How do you suppose some of these poor people became poor? Sometimes, it's because they were in the middle class and a shitty situation led them to live in homeless shelters with their 3 kids.

ETA: What even constitutes "middle class" nowadays? It doesn't seem that anyone can agree on an answer.

Quoted For Truth.

The latest economic downturn, job loss, and foreclosed home crisis were not only about "poor people". It was primarily people who were considered middle class who had not accumulated wealth and lived paycheck to paycheck. These people were living a relative good life with a house, cars, other materials. Many of them believed the pro-reproduction hype and thought they were financially and mentally prepared for kids. Wrong. But too late now. Now they need to find financial and emotional resources to help them stay afloat. More cities are assisting the middle class (i.e., mortgage assistance for teachers) instead of all resources going to the poor. The goal is to help middle class stay afloat so fewer middle class will trickle into poverty. It isn't as difficult as people like Kevin believe.

So, if poor people are going to be scrutinized, also knock on the doors of the non-poor. The non-poor don't get to hide.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

I have a friend who has been trying to 10 years to get her tubes tied. What you've quoted above is the same crap she hears from doctors every time she asks about the procedure. No one has agreed to do the surgery for her, and she's 30 years old and married to someone who also doesn't want kids. She's basically begged doctors to do it, and they still refuse. It's ridiculous and sad. She has struggled taking birth control, as she usually suffers numerous side effects, and the last thing she wants to do is have an abortion (if she were to accidentally get pregnant).

Maybe she needs to get a t-shirt made with Susan Smith's face on it and wear it to her next appointment.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Maybe she needs to get a t-shirt made with Susan Smith's face on it and wear it to her next appointment.

Or get a new OBGYN.

People in some cities are compiling lists of OBGYNs who stick with their training void of bias. There are OBGYNs who without challenge do tubal libations for women without children and women done having children.

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Or get a new OBGYN.

People in some cities are compiling lists of OBGYNs who stick with their training void of bias. There are OBGYNs who without challenge do tubal libations for women without children and women done having children.

Its appalling that it's come to this. That men can get snipped no questions but women have to argue and find a willing doctor. Yet another way to keep women barefoot in the kitchen.