Baby tests positive for illegal drugs? Arrest the mom.

[DrPhil]

Double post/

And I want this to not only be about the women as though they impregnated themselves. Where the hell are the men? The range of "relationships" that resulted in impregnation are something to be discussed. It needs to be discussed in terms of access to contraception, adults being responsible for their eggs and sperm, understanding consensual sex (and help for people who are being sexually abused), and the need for societies to address the hypocrisy of encouraging reproduction.

All of this needs to be addressed instead of continuing to throw bandaids on a problem that has persisted for generations. Taking children away and criminal charges may be deserving but they are still bandaids.

[MaryPoppins]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Double post/

And I want this to not only be about the women as though they impregnated themselves. Where the hell are the men? The range of "relationships" that resulted in impregnation are something to be discussed. It needs to be discussed in terms of access to contraception, adults being responsible for their eggs and sperm, understanding consensual sex (and help for people who are being sexually abused), and the need for societies to address the hypocrisy of encouraging reproduction.

All of this needs to be addressed instead of continuing to throw bandaids on a problem that has persisted for generations. Taking children away and criminal charges may be deserving but they are still bandaids.

Amen!

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

And I want this to not only be about the women as though they impregnated themselves. Where the hell are the men? The range of "relationships" that resulted in impregnation are something to be discussed. It needs to be discussed in terms of access to contraception, adults being responsible for their eggs and sperm, understanding consensual sex (and help for people who are being sexually abused), and the need for societies to address the hypocrisy of encouraging reproduction.

Well there's a perfect world and there's the real world. Some of these folks aren't too interested in making positive choices.

There was a proposal in Louisiana a number of years ago, or just the beginnings of one which would have paid folks to voluntarily be sterilized. Sounded like a good plan except folks were screaming about it being eugenics.

http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2...n_plan_fi.html

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Well there's a perfect world and there's the real world.

This isn't about perfect world versus real world.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Some of these folks aren't too interested in making positive choices.

That goes for all people. But this topic is about more than that.

Originally Posted by Kevin

There was a proposal in Louisiana a number of years ago, or just the beginnings of one which would have paid folks to voluntarily be sterilized. Sounded like a good plan except folks were screaming about it being eugenics.

It is eugenics because they are targeting particular demographics.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

It is eugenics because they are targeting particular demographics.

People who can't afford to have children seems like a legitimate demographic to focus on.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

People who can't afford to have children seems like a legitimate demographic to focus on.

Because you believe in eugenics.

The average person in every socioeconomic status is financially and mentally-emotionally under-prepared for parenthood. Either preach to EVERYONE about birth control and parenthood preparation or preach to NO ONE. Do not only target lower socioeconomic statuses which will disproportionately target racial and ethnic minorities.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Because you believe in eugenics.

The average person in every socioeconomic status is financially and mentally-emotionally under-prepared for parenthood. Either preach to EVERYONE about birth control and parenthood preparation or preach to NO ONE. Do not only target lower socioeconomic statuses which will disproportionately target racial and ethnic minorities.

I'm not sure it would disproportionately target racial and ethnic minorities. There are more poor whites than any other minority. But so what if it does? We could eliminate generational poverty in a generation or two.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I'm not sure it would disproportionately target racial and ethnic minorities. There are more poor whites than any other minority.

You need to learn what is meant by "disproportionate(ly)". Seriously. Read about it.

Originally Posted by Kevin

But so what if it does? We could eliminate generational poverty in a generation or two.

Wow. Have you not kept up with the failed attempts of the past 50+ years? Read. Before you rally behind any law and policy. Read. Read. Read. Everything that appears new is old.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I'm not sure it would disproportionately target racial and ethnic minorities. There are more poor whites than any other minority. But so what if it does? We could eliminate generational poverty in a generation or two.

You're a sicko. That's all I've got.