Baby tests positive for illegal drugs? Arrest the mom.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

The criminalization of drug use is not the way to deal with addiction. Putting new mothers behind bars or otherwise straining their resources (fines, community service, etc.) does not help their children. I would oppose this strongly in my state.

[DrPhil]

Yeah the change is in the criminal charge.

The more I think of this the more I consider it a bad idea at face value.

I want law enforcement, hospitals, CPS, Planned Parenthood, and harm reduction/drug safety coalitions to work together instead of slapping each other in the face.

[Nanners52674]

I didn't know about testing the meconium but when I did an internship in obgyn the woman giving birth was always tested (not out of suspicion but so Dr. know what they're working with since not many people admit to using drugs) and then if that's positive they'd test the baby.

[DrPhil]

I hope he was just trolling and really knows all of this stuff. I hope.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

You're a sicko. That's all I've got.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I hope he was just trolling and really knows all of this stuff. I hope.

Yes and probably not, unfortunately.

This psycho who proposed the plan could have at least couched it in "population control to save the planet's resources" and offered the payment to anyone - rich or poor - who decided to get sterilized. Even though it probably would end up with the same result he was gunning for.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Yes and probably not, unfortunately.

This psycho who proposed the plan could have at least couched it in "population control to save the planet's resources" and offered the payment to anyone - rich or poor - who decided to get sterilized. Even though it probably would end up with the same result he was gunning for.

I agree.

If people choose to be sterilized it should be a conscious and well-informed decision not based on economic (and racial and ethnic) disadvantage. Don't target poor people with an overrepresentation of racial and ethnic minorities, frighten them, misinform them, and entice them with "free". This song has been sung plenty of times in the USA and around the world for generations.

I really want Kevin, some politicians, some community leaders, and some policy makers to research and read. Actually research and read some news articles, books, and peer-reviewed journal articles from 1900-2014.

[33girl]

And the other thing that kills me is...I have friends (middle class and white) who have asked for hysterectomies or tubal ligations and had doctors refuse because "you're too young to know what you want" and "you may want babies someday. You are a woman, of course!" But that's a different thread and a different struggle, I suppose.

[DrPhil]

It's extremely connected to this thread and this struggle.

[PiKA2001]

Oh hi, how've y'all been?

I'm pro population control but I think it should be done via taxation similar to how it's done in China. The first kid is free and for each additional child you pay a higher tax burden, essentially the complete opposite of what we have in place now.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Oh hi, how've y'all been?

I'm pro population control but I think it should be done via taxation similar to how it's done in China. The first kid is free and for each additional child you pay a higher tax burden, essentially the complete opposite of what we have in place now.

Awesome idea! And once we get that in place, let's have Enron alumni operate the Treasury and raise the ghost of John Holmes to do safe sex education.

[33girl]

Oh, and do you know what else this would increase? The number of botched sterilizations, either by incompetent quacks or by doctors who suposedly do the operation but really don't, just fake the paperwork. Plus, it's really easy to reverse a vasectomy.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Oh, and do you know what else this would increase? The number of botched sterilizations, either by incompetent quacks or by doctors who suposedly do the operation but really don't, just fake the paperwork. Plus, it's really easy to reverse a vasectomy.

Now why would a doctor do that? "Haha fuckers jokes on you in nine months"

If you look at the direction society has been moving in the last 50 years in terms of government regulations in how you give birth to how you raise your child it really wouldn't surprise me if in 50 years from now one would have to file a permit to conceive.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Now why would a doctor do that? "Haha fuckers jokes on you in nine months"

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/woman-s...ry?id=22946272

[33girl]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Now why would a doctor do that? "Haha fuckers jokes on you in nine months"

If you look at the direction society has been moving in the last 50 years in terms of government regulations in how you give birth to how you raise yoiur child it really wouldn't surprise me if in 50 years from now one would have to file a permit to conceive.

Um, for the same reason all kinds of quackery exists? Because they get paid and then vanish?

Ditto docs who'll say "I'll sign something saying you're barren as the desert if you'll split the grand with me."

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Oh, and do you know what else this would increase? The number of botched sterilizations, either by incompetent quacks or by doctors who suposedly do the operation but really don't, just fake the paperwork. Plus, it's really easy to reverse a vasectomy.

Easy peasy. Charge a $10,000 vasectomy reversal tax.