UConn Hazing

[OPhiAGinger]

Dr Phil, it's not as simple as someone just wanting to make some noise. My points about being from Hawaii (and thus being introduced to sorority life at a later age with little context) speak to *why* she felt the situation at SAE was a big deal. And that's why she called the police and went to the media.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by OPhiAGinger

Dr Phil, it's not as simple as someone just wanting to make some noise. My points about being from Hawaii (and thus being introduced to sorority life at a later age with little context) speak to *why* she felt the situation at SAE was a big deal. And that's why she called the police and went to the media.

You keep saying this, but I still think your points are roughly equivalent to 2 + 3 = orange. If I were faced with a situation in which I felt forced or pressured to do the types of things that have been described, I would want to do something about it because it is a big deal but that wouldn't involve the media or Gloria Allred.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by OPhiAGinger

Dr Phil, it's not as simple as someone just wanting to make some noise. My points about being from Hawaii (and thus being introduced to sorority life at a later age with little context) speak to *why* she felt the situation at SAE was a big deal. And that's why she called the police and went to the media.

Last I knew, they have TV and movies in Hawaii, and that's where lots of kids get their ideas of what Greek life is like. I just don't see the connection.

And I just don't think people who are merely trying to shine a spotlight on a problem engage Gloria Allred. People who want publicity for themselves, however, do.

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by OPhiAGinger

Dr Phil, it's not as simple as someone just wanting to make some noise. My points about being from Hawaii (and thus being introduced to sorority life at a later age with little context) speak to *why* she felt the situation at SAE was a big deal. And that's why she called the police and went to the media.

You do realize that Hawaii is part of this country and is throughly monder society. With the same TV shows and Internet as the rest of us. Meaning shows like Greek, movies like House Bunny and Legally Blonde etc... Sites like TSM/TFM, Instagram, Twitter and the list goes on.

You're acting like this girl being from Hawaii is akin to being from a foreign country/culture.

Perhaps you might be swerving a bit.

[OPhiAGinger]

My apologies to Hawaiians if that's how it came across. That wasn't my intention. What I was trying to say is that given that there is one NPC chapter in the whole state and that other states are geographically distant, someone who grew up in Hawaii wouldn't know many peers personally who were sorority women. The personal stories she would have heard from people she knew and trusted must be lower than that of a girl who grew up in a state with many NPC chapters. That's all I'm saying. She may not have had the benefit of someone describing a similar situation and then following it with "but it was no big deal. I just told them I didn't want to do the shots and that was the end of it." Those kind of stories are important for giving you the frame of mind that it's okay to say no in a situation that makes you uncomfortable.

Greek, House Bunny, Legally Blonde… those don't provide the same level of assurance and may even reinforce the idea that you need to go along with whatever is happening to you.

[Nanners52674]

Originally Posted by OPhiAGinger

My apologies to Hawaiians if that's how it came across. That wasn't my intention. What I was trying to say is that given that there is one NPC chapter in the whole state and that other states are geographically distant, someone who grew up in Hawaii wouldn't know many peers personally who were sorority women. The personal stories she would have heard from people she knew and trusted must be lower than that of a girl who grew up in a state with many NPC chapters. That's all I'm saying. She may not have had the benefit of someone describing a similar situation and then following it with "but it was no big deal. I just told them I didn't want to do the shots and that was the end of it." Those kind of stories are important for giving you the frame of mind that it's okay to say no in a situation that makes you uncomfortable.

Greek, House Bunny, Legally Blonde… those don't provide the same level of assurance and may even reinforce the idea that you need to go along with whatever is happening to you.

She's 22 if she hasn't figured out how to say no to peer pressure or the pressure to drink by now then she shouldn't be out drinking. She's legally old enough to drink. How does she have no responsibility?


At what age do we hold her responsible? 25? 30?

[33girl]

One NPC chapter in Hawaii doesn't = one social sorority.

And once again...someone who is as deer in the headlights as you make this girl out to be doesn't hire Gloria Allred.