UConn Hazing

[ree-Xi]

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

Gloria Allred is her attorney, are you kidding me? She's a 22 yr old active member, why didn't she just leave. Did she try to leave? Was she threatened or persuaded to stay?

I thought she was out for attention from the beginning when the first person she contacted from the ER was the news.

Now she's on Katie telling her story. It's ridiculous.

Forced to drink, forced to go from room to room, forced to walk down into the basement, "we had to play beer pong" - Did they shove a gun in her face? Did they barricade the doors, preventing her from leaving? She wasn't an 18 year old freshman who thinks they have to do everything they're told to do in order to "get in".

She was 22, an initiated member, a junior with life experience, and seemingly able to assess situations and sense danger. Yet, the story she tells sounds like it was pure coercion; she uses the word "forced" several times.

• She "was picked up and taken to dinner then driven to a fraternity house", led to the back of the house

• She "was picked up and taken to dinner then driven to a fraternity house".

• Driven to fraternity house, led to the back of the house, and saw the door of a room was open, where they were "supposed to enter". She said that the room made her feel intimidated.

• She entered the room where 3 girls were blindfolded and about 10 other un-blindfolded KKG and SAE members standing around.

• Told them to line up against the wall, silently, for about 20 minutes, during which the had to fry like bacon, jump while holding their ankles, cursing and "professing our love for Kappa"

• "Beers slammed down in front of our faces", "forced to take shots" (3), given a piece of string and more alcohol.

• Led to another room and there were bottles of alcohol, then led downstairs to the basement where they played beer pong (why didn't she just leave???) and "forced" to drink whether she answered questions right or wrong.

• Katie asks if she was scared or did you ever say you didn't want to drink anymore?
  She answers:
  "I held onto the bottle of wine for a while because I didn't want to drink it at that point because I'm a lightweight, I'm small, I'm 105 pounds, so I knew my limits". Says she isn't "one of those girls" who drinks every weekend.

• She blacked out, woke up alone in hospital.

• Gloria Allred states that UConn investigation says that Hillary was "required to take quite a bit of alcohol", but when she was brought bad to her dorm, a fellow KKG didn't want to send her to hospital but an RA insisted.

• Father says Hillary was hazed, parents and daughter filed a claim with Community Standards and police investigated. Gloria Allred wants "justice" to help Hillary "who was significantly harmed". Hillary said that she's essentially ignored by KKG and SAE on campus.

Hillary started an organization to help hazing victims.

Now, it's not my intent to blame the victim, but this 22 year-old adult had several apparent opportunities to leave the location, claims she was "forced to drink" but stated only that she felt "intimidated" upon entering the first room, and answers that she "knew her limits" when asked if she ever refused to drink.

I understand the dichotomy - how scary, difficult to say now, and how vulnerable that real hazing can make you feel, and on the flip side, it's easy to look at complying with hazing orders as that the person "let" themselves be hazed - but there seem to be many holes in the story.

If I had to guess, I'd say that the girl drank too much, ended up at the hospital, feared punishment from the Judicial board, and exaggerated the story. I could be wrong, but I just don't feel like anything was "forced."

[Sen's Revenge]

Originally Posted by ree-Xi

Forced to drink, forced to go from room to room, forced to walk down into the basement, "we had to play beer pong" - Did they shove a gun in her face? Did they baraacde the doors, preventing her from leaving? She wasn't an 18 year old freshman who thinks they have to do everything they're told to do in order to "get in".

She was 22, an initiated member, a junior with life experience, and seemingly able to assess situations and sense danger. Yet, the story she tells sounds like it was pure coercement; she uses the word "forced" several times.

• She "was picked up and taken to dinner then driven to a fraternity house", led to the back of the house

• She "was picked up and taken to dinner then driven to a fraternity house".
  Driven to fraternity house, led to the back of the house, and saw the door of a room was open, where they were "supposed to enter". She said that the room made her feel intimidated.

• She entered the room where 3 girls were blindfolded and about 10 other un-blindfolded KKG and SAE members standing around.

• Told them to line up against the wall, silently, for about 20 minutes, during which the had to fry like bacon, jump while holding their ankles, cursing and "professing our love for Kappa"
  

• "Beers slammed down in front of our faces", "forced to take shots" (3), given a piece of string and more alcohol.

• Led to another room and there were bottles of alcohol, then led downstairs to the basement where they played beer pong (why didn't she just leave???) and "forced" to drink whether she answered questions right or wrong.

• Katie asks if she was scared or did you ever say you didn't want to drink anymore?
  She answers:
  "I held onto the bottle of wine for a while because I didn't want to drink it at that point because I'm a lightweight, I'm small, I'm 105 pounds, so I knew my limits". Says she isn't "one of those girls" who drinks every weekend.

• She blacked out, woke up alone in hospital.

• Gloria Allred states that UConn investigation says that Hillary was "required to take quite a bit of alcohol", but when she was brought bad to her dorm, a fellow KKG didn't want to send her to hospital but an RA insisted.

• Father says Hillary was hazed, parents and daughter filed a claim with Community Standards and police investigated. Gloria Allred wants "justice" to help Hillary "who was significantly harmed". Hillary said that she's essentially ignored by KKG and SAE on campus.

Hillary started an organization to help hazing victims.

Now, it's not my intent to blame the victim, but this 22 year-old adult had several apparent opportunities to leave the location, claims she was "forced to drink" but stated only that she felt "intimidated" upon entering the first room, and answers that she "knew her limits" when asked if she ever refused to drink.

I understand the dichotomy - how scary and how real hazing can feel, and on the flip side, it's easy to look at complying with hazing orders as that the person "let" themselves be hazed - but there seem to be many holes in the story.

If I had to guess, I'd say that the girl drank too much, ended up at the hospital, feared punishment from the Judicial board, and exaggerated the story. I could be wrong, but I just don't feel like anything was "forced."

I agree with everything you've said here.