Universities Under Investigation Re: Handling Sexual Assault

[Kevin]

This thread is indicative of the mentality of many here:

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...=Duke+Lacrosse

Remember the Duke LaCrosse incident in which nearly all posters simply assumed that because some black stripper (race was material in that thread) accused 4 men of raping her, it simply must be true. They ignored the defense attorneys, they assumed that because charges were filed by now disbarred Mike Nifong, the allegations must be true.

That is the sort of prejudice men have to face when accused of rape. The standard of proof at the criminal level and the standard of proof for a university to expel someone basically on someone else's word should be and is high for a reason.

Some of the language associated with rape carries such negative connotation. For example, if you engage in victim blaming, i.e., pointing out that a victim quite possibly could have taken steps to not find herself in a compromised position, you're a horrible person. In the above-linked thread, when someone pointed out that going to a private residence to strip for a bunch of college athletes seemed to be an unsafe choice, they were savaged over it.

God I loved that thread... so illustrative of how quick some on here are prone to side with alleged victims--even if they are strippers trying to make a quick buck or two by accusing innocent men of rape, potentially ruining their promising lives.

[honorgal]

Originally Posted by Kevin

This thread is indicative of the mentality of many here:

http://www.greekchat.com/gcforums/sh...=Duke+Lacrosse

Remember the Duke LaCrosse incident in which nearly all posters simply assumed that because some black stripper (race was material in that thread) accused 4 men of raping her, it simply must be true. They ignored the defense attorneys, they assumed that because charges were filed by now disbarred Mike Nifong, the allegations must be true.

That is the sort of prejudice men have to face when accused of rape. The standard of proof at the criminal level and the standard of proof for a university to expel someone basically on someone else's word should be and is high for a reason.

Some of the language associated with rape carries such negative connotation. For example, if you engage in victim blaming, i.e., pointing out that a victim quite possibly could have taken steps to not find herself in a compromised position, you're a horrible person. In the above-linked thread, when someone pointed out that going to a private residence to strip for a bunch of college athletes seemed to be an unsafe choice, they were savaged over it.

God I loved that thread... so illustrative of how quick some on here are prone to side with alleged victims--even if they are strippers trying to make a quick buck or two by accusing innocent men of rape, potentially ruining their promising lives.

Oh, thank you for the link. I wasn't on GC then, and I'm sure it will be fascinating reading.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

This thread is indicative of the mentality of many here:

Most people in the thread in which you are posting did not say the accuser should automatically be believed.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Most people in the thread in which you are posting did not say the accuser should automatically be believed.

I don't think anyone has actually said that the accuser should automatically believed. However, in practice, that Duke LaCrosse incident certainly showed the intense biases of many here to believe the accuser no matter how much her story doesn't pass the smell test. (or in that case, the DNA tests)

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I don't think anyone has actually said that the accuser should automatically believed.

Because many of us do not believe the accuser should automatically be believed. ETA1: That was covered in the first two pages of this thread.

ETA2: Do not go based on a 2006 thread in which much of the tone was rooted in GC Race Wars and overall U.S.A. racial dynamics; how people feel about college athletes; and how people feel about strippers. That 2006 thread was about more than rape allegations and woman-man sexual relations.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Because many of us do not believe the accuser should automatically be believed.

And yet "many" thought the Duke LaCrosse accuser should be taken at her word. Many do a pretty piss poor job of accounting for their own personal biases.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

And yet "many" thought the Duke LaCrosse accuser should be taken at her word.

Back in 2006 and based on opinions regarding race, college athletes, and strippers.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Back in 2006 and based on opinions regarding race, college athletes, and strippers.

Just have a look at that thread. I sure as hell wouldn't want Royal Ivy on a jury if I was accused of rape. The DNA comes back negative and to her mind, these guys just somehow tampered with the evidence. Some of the assumptions people made in that case were beyond ridiculous.

Do you think we've come a long way since 2006 and that since then, no men have been victimized by false allegations of rape?