UC-Davis: Co-ed Group Request to Associate with Panhellenic

[Sen's Revenge]

Why does LDL need to be on a council at all? I bet this is something the school is pushing harder than the org.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Sen's Revenge

Why does LDL need to be on a council at all? I bet this is something the school is pushing harder than the org.

Is LDL a selective membership group?

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by Sen's Revenge

Why does LDL need to be on a council at all? I bet this is something the school is pushing harder than the org.

I don’t know if this is the case at UC-Davis, but at Kentucky, all "social" GLOs must be affiliated with a campus counsel. I don’t recall the exact reasoning behind it, but it had something to do with administrative oversight and funding etc.

[HQWest]

^^^ this. My guess is that someone in the administration wants to be able
to justify having LDL report to an administrator not just a faculty advisor? (risk management for actvities? Anti-hazing? Leadership training?)

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by TSteven

I don’t know if this is the case at UC-Davis, but at Kentucky, all "social" GLOs must be affiliated with a campus counsel. I don’t recall the exact reasoning behind it, but it had something to do with administrative oversight and funding etc.

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

So, does this mean LDL wants to be part of the NPC recruitment week?

For what it is worth, the three affiliate members of the Kentucky CPC are not required to participate during/in the NPC Chapters formal recruitment week. All three (Ceres, Delta Phi Mu, and Phi Sigma Rho) hold their recruitment after NPC formal recruitment. To be clear, they may hold their recruitment during formal if they want, but all three have elected to hold their recruitment after NPC formal recruitment is completed.

As I understand it, none of the three affiliate members may hold executive office within the UK CPC – only the NPC chapters. Nor do they vote on issues regarding extension or NPC recruitment.

I believe the set up at UK regarding affiliate members of the CPC (NPC council), is similar to that of other campuses that also have affiliate members in their CPC.

[clemsongirl]

Originally Posted by TSteven

For what it is worth, the three affiliate members of the Kentucky CPC are not required to participate during/in the NPC Chapters formal recruitment week. All three (Ceres, Delta Phi Mu, and Phi Sigma Rho) hold their recruitment after NPC formal recruitment. To be clear, they may hold their recruitment during formal if they want, but all three have elected to hold their recruitment after NPC formal recruitment is completed.

As I understand it, none of the three affiliate members may hold executive office within the UK CPC – only the NPC chapters. Nor do they vote on issues regarding extension or NPC recruitment.

I believe the set up at UK regarding affiliate members of the CPC (NPC counsel), is similar to that of other campuses that also have affiliate members in their CPC.

Since Clemson has multiple groups that could be Panhellenic affiliates but are not, I'm curious: what benefit do these groups get out of Panhellenic affiliation versus not being Panhellenic associates?

[OPhiAGinger]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

What are they trying to achieve from affiliation? They can't rush with the Panhellenic chapters so what other benefits are they after?

Originally Posted by Titchou

To what purpose would be the associate membership?... Do they just want some sort of recognition?

Originally Posted by clemsongirl

...I'm curious: what benefit do these groups get out of Panhellenic affiliation versus not being Panhellenic associates?

OPA has a few chapters who are associate members of their campus Panhellenic group. They don't participate in recruitment, but they do participate in the other traditional Greek events on their campus -- which they wouldn't be able to do if they weren't associated with Panhellenic on the local level. Those vary from campus to campus but include Greek Week, philanthropy competitions, Homecoming competitions, etc. The chapters who have chosen to do this are happier with their relationships within the Greek community. They have a lot of fun with those activities and feel like it increases their campus visibility.

Our other chapters have no interest whatsoever in joining their campus Panhellenic council. Recognizing that each campus environment is different, we leave the decision up to the chapters.

[OPhiAGinger]

Originally Posted by clemsongirl

...I'm curious: what benefit do these groups get out of Panhellenic affiliation versus not being Panhellenic associates?

OPA has a few chapters who are associate members of their campus Panhellenic group. They don't participate in recruitment, but they do participate in all of the other traditional Greek events -- which they wouldn't be able to do if they weren't associated with Panhellenic on the local level. Those vary from campus to campus but include Greek Week, philanthropy competitions, Homecoming competitions, etc. The chapters who have chosen to do this are happy with their relationships within the Greek community on their campuses. On the other hand, many of our other chapters would have to be dragged kicking and screaming into an associated Panhellenic membership. It's just not their thing.

[sigmadiva]

Thank you for the explanation OPhiAGinger. It makes sense that other non-NPC sororities may benefit from being part of the CPC.


But the question is why would a co-ed group want to join the CPC?

[OPhiAGinger]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Thank you for the explanation OPhiAGinger. It makes sense that other non-NPC sororities may benefit from being part of the CPC.


But the question is why would a co-ed group want to join the CPC?

How many male members do they actually have? They may welcome male members, but still identify with the sorority experience and having a small number of mister sisters doesn't change that. If the university is mandating that they be part of a council for oversight reasons, the local Panhellenic council may be best fit.

This is how they define themselves on the UC Davis website:

Originally Posted by Lambda Delta Lambda"

Lambda Delta Lambda is a local sorority, comprised of a fun-loving, queer friendly, sisterhood with open minds. We regard ourselves as not being the typical sorority and are open to students of all sexualities and gender identities. While we are a Greek organization our message to the campus and community is one of acceptance and hope for equality.

I think it comes down to whether the term "sorority" mandates single sex. I don't think it does. Your mileage may vary.

But I also have to wonder…. If the acceptance of LDL into the local Panhellenic council does not have any implications over how NPC chapters recruit their members or operate their own chapters, why would the existing Panhellenic members oppose it?

[OPhiAGinger]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Thank you for the explanation OPhiAGinger. It makes sense that other non-NPC sororities may benefit from being part of the CPC.


But the question is why would a co-ed group want to join the CPC?

How many male members do they actually have? They may welcome male members, but still identify with the sorority experience and having a small number of mister sisters doesn't change that. I can't find any evidence that they have male members at all, just that they are open to it! If the university is mandating that they be part of a council for oversight reasons, the local Panhellenic council may be best fit.

This is how they define themselves on the UC Davis website:

Originally Posted by Lambda Delta Lambda"

Lambda Delta Lambda is a local sorority, comprised of a fun-loving, queer friendly, sisterhood with open minds. We regard ourselves as not being the typical sorority and are open to students of all sexualities and gender identities. While we are a Greek organization our message to the campus and community is one of acceptance and hope for equality.

I think it comes down to whether the term "sorority" mandates single sex. I don't think it does. Your mileage may vary.

But I also have to wonder…. If the acceptance of LDL into the local Panhellenic council does not have any implications over how NPC sororities recruit or operate their own chapters, why would the existing Panhellenic members oppose it?