Gamma Phi Beta University of North Dakota Punished for Showing School Pride

[SOM]

Sorority Punished for Showing School Pride
North Dakota sisters sentenced to sensitivity training for banner mentioning former mascot

A University of North Dakota sorority is on double-secret probation after putting up a banner obliquely referring to the school’s retired mascot.
Although UND got rid of its “Fighting Sioux” nickname less than two years ago, Gamma Phi Beta sorority has come under fire for even alluding to the former mascot, which has been deemed offensive. Members of the campus chapter are being condemned by UND’s president for mentioning the controversy over the Fighting Sioux — though without naming the mascot itself — in a banner cheering on the men’s hockey team.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...andrew-johnson

[Kevin]

In a perfect world, the sorority would turn around and "condemn" the school for its craven stance. Do individuals of nordic origin condemn the Minnesota Vikings? Do steel workers condemn the Steelers? Do cattlemen condemn the Dallas Cowboys? Do Texans condemn the Houston Texans? The Seattle Seahawk logo is clearly an Indian design or borrowed from northwestern Indian tribal art. Notre Dame's depiction of their mascot, "Clancy" is at least as bad as Oklahoma's former Little Red mascot.

Suddenly turning around and deeming things offensive because some thin-skinned individuals are offended doesn't mean the rest of us have to care about their feelings.

The NCAA's position has been ridiculous from the beginning.

[DrPhil]

Kevin is serious. How unfortunate.

[pshsx1]

Originally Posted by Kevin

In a perfect world, the sorority would turn around and "condemn" the school for its craven stance. Do individuals of nordic origin condemn the Minnesota Vikings? Do steel workers condemn the Steelers? Do cattlemen condemn the Dallas Cowboys? Do Texans condemn the Houston Texans? The Seattle Seahawk logo is clearly an Indian design or borrowed from northwestern Indian tribal art. Notre Dame's depiction of their mascot, "Clancy" is at least as bad as Oklahoma's former Little Red mascot.

Suddenly turning around and deeming things offensive because some thin-skinned individuals are offended doesn't mean the rest of us have to care about their feelings.

The NCAA's position has been ridiculous from the beginning.

You're comparing working professions (e.g. steelworkers) to a race of people. No.

And it's not just the NCAA taking this position. Have you not seen the press about the Cleveland Indians lately?

http://www.freep.com/article/2014040...-wahoo-protest

[clemsongirl]

Originally Posted by pshsx1

You're comparing working professions (e.g. steelworkers) to a race of people. No.

And it's not just the NCAA taking this position. Have you not seen the press about the Cleveland Indians lately?

http://www.freep.com/article/2014040...-wahoo-protest

To say nothing about the uproar that seems to be following around the Washington Redskins everywhere they go. http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...9e1_story.html

[DrPhil]

^^^ Indeed @ the last two posters

Are we in the mood for yet another Intro-level discussion of race, ethnicity, and culture? In what reality is Kevin and some GCers living?

[Kevin]

DrPhil, you are entitled to your opinions on the subject. I know pretty much where you stand, I just find your positions to generally be a load of horseshit.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by pshsx1

You're comparing working professions (e.g. steelworkers) to a race of people. No.

The Sioux isn't a race. It's a tribe or rather a collection of tribes with similar culture.

And it's not as if that was the only example I gave.

Where are the aggrieved Scandinavians?

[DaffyKD]

Slight lane swerve, but will someone tell this old lady what in the world is "double-secret" probation?

DaffyKD

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

DrPhil, you are entitled to your opinions on the subject. I know pretty much where you stand, I just find your positions to generally be a load of horseshit.

Says the person who lacks even an introductory level understanding of race, ethnicity, and culture.

You are pathetic.

[clemsongirl]

Originally Posted by Kevin

The Sioux isn't a race. It's a tribe or rather a collection of tribes with similar culture.

And it's not as if that was the only example I gave.

Where are the aggrieved Scandinavians?

Where are the hundreds of years of systematic discrimination and denial of opportunity against the Scandinavians? Where are the Scandinavian reservations provided by the government where the rates of alcoholism, drug abuse, and poverty are sky-high? Could the Scandinavians somehow better their lives if people stopped using racist caricatures of them as sporting mascots?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

The Sioux isn't a race. It's a tribe or rather a collection of tribes with similar culture.

And it's not as if that was the only example I gave.

Where are the aggrieved Scandinavians?

What is your point? Any group that opposes a mascot in its name has a right to oppose. As always, your white male privilege believes you need to agree and sign off on everything in order for it to be legitimate and substantiated.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Says the person who lacks even an introductory level understanding of race, ethnicity, and culture.

You are pathetic.

Your constructs of race, ethnicity and culture are entirely artificial as is the amount of deference you think the rest of us should give them.

This isn't about good manners, this is about schools facing serious sanctions if they name their mascots after native Americans. There's a point where it has gone from asking that people be polite and respect each other to forcing your views on other through extortion.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by clemsongirl

Where are the hundreds of years of systematic discrimination and denial of opportunity against the Scandinavians? Where are the Scandinavian reservations provided by the government where the rates of alcoholism, drug abuse, and poverty are sky-high? Could the Scandinavians somehow better their lives if people stopped using racist caricatures of them as sporting mascots?

Oh, you have to have been discriminated against to deserve deference? NEW RULE.

So we have Notre Dame's mascot the drunken' fightin' Mick. No one cares.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Your constructs of race, ethnicity and culture are entirely artificial....

No.

Originally Posted by Kevin

This isn't about good manners, this is about schools facing serious sanctions if they name their mascots after native Americans. There's a point where it has gone from asking that people be polite and respect each other to forcing your views on other through extortion.

I don't care about this school and sorority. I care about your cluelessness. This isn't about differing opinions. You truly seem clueless.