What to tell overconfident PNMs

[AnchorAlumna]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

My chapter (U of Illinois - Big 10) received recs, but certainly not for all or even a majority of PNMs.

Irishpipes, I'm curious - do you know for sure that your chapter received few recs? Were you on a recruitment committee where you'd be privy to that info? I ask because I've listened to women swear their chapter didn't get recs, but they weren't on any kind of committee that processed them and they really didn't know. They only knew that occasionally it was mentioned that a PNM had a rec.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by AnchorAlumna

Irishpipes, I'm curious - do you know for sure that your chapter received few recs? Were you on a recruitment committee where you'd be privy to that info? I ask because I've listened to women swear their chapter didn't get recs, but they weren't on any kind of committee that processed them and they really didn't know. They only knew that occasionally it was mentioned that a PNM had a rec.

I was at the same school, and I am certain we only got about a handful, having been chapter president and privy to that info.

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by AnchorAlumna

Irishpipes, I'm curious - do you know for sure that your chapter received few recs? Were you on a recruitment committee where you'd be privy to that info? I ask because I've listened to women swear their chapter didn't get recs, but they weren't on any kind of committee that processed them and they really didn't know. They only knew that occasionally it was mentioned that a PNM had a rec.

Yes, I was privy to it. We had a ton of legacies come through, and most of them had legacy forms, but not too many others had recs. But, that was a long time ago and I think recs in general were not as widely used. I am quite certain that recs are much more common at my chapter now. The chapter very actively solicits them.

I don't know if you were directing part of your comment at me or not, but I have never said that my chapter didn't get recs. I know we did, but I also strongly suspect most PNMs did not have them - I know they didn't for my GLO. I know many of the women we pledged did not have them. I am sure that certain chapters on campus used them more than we did, and some chapters used them less.

The whole rec business is a lot easier now with electronic media, and I think that has aided the increase in rec usage at schools that didn't consider them heavily before.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

Yes, I was privy to it. We had a ton of legacies come through, and most of them had legacy forms, but not too many others had recs. But, that was a long time ago and I think recs in general were not as widely used. I am quite certain that recs are much more common at my chapter now. The chapter very actively solicits them.

I don't know if you were directing part of your comment at me or not, but I have never said that my chapter didn't get recs. I know we did, but I also strongly suspect most PNMs did not have them - I know they didn't for my GLO. I know many of the women we pledged did not have them. I am sure that certain chapters on campus used them more than we did, and some chapters used them less.

The whole rec business is a lot easier now with electronic media, and I think that has aided the increase in rec usage at schools that didn't consider them heavily before.

You and I were also both collegians in the pre-RFM days, too, right? With chapters needing to make heavier cuts much earlier in the process, I could see why both sides (chapters and PNM's) would make a lot more effort to find recs.

[AnchorAlumna]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

Yes, I was privy to it...I don't know if you were directing part of your comment at me or not, but I have never said that my chapter didn't get recs. The whole rec business is a lot easier now with electronic media, and I think that has aided the increase in rec usage at schools that didn't consider them heavily before.

OK! No, I wasn't really thinking you were clueless! But I have known other women who were have declared "We never got recs" when I know very well that they did - it's just that they were never involved in that part of the process.

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

You and I were also both collegians in the pre-RFM days, too, right? With chapters needing to make heavier cuts much earlier in the process, I could see why both sides (chapters and PNM's) would make a lot more effort to find recs.

Yes indeed! WAY more women out there now who are sorority alumnae. Can you imagine having to do all this by US mail? That's how it was done when I started out! And pre-1950, probably all written by hand!

[MSKKG]

After reading the title of this thread, I came to the conclusion that there is nothing we can tell overconfident PNMs. They seem to have all the answers. They come to us experienced members of GLOs for help and then throw all our advice out the window, preferring to rely on the advice of nonmembers of GLOs. Please don't waste our time if you are going to disregard our sincere desire to help you--clearly, you don't need our help.