Schools that need to open for NPC expansion

[ASUADPi]

Virginia Commonwealth- we are still waiting to colonize. Originally we were supposed to colonize, in I believe, fall 2012. It was then pushed back to spring 2013. We still haven't colonized, which means the chapters who were scheduled to colonize after us have also been pushed back.

University of Arizona- one thing standing in the way with expansion there is the housing. All UA chapters have houses. Now it has been 4-5 years since I have been on the campus, but space for housing is a bit limited. Chi Omega and Sigma Kappa weren't housed on the same "row" as the other chapters. Chi Omega got a new house on the "row" in 1998. Sigma Kappa was located quite a bit farther than the other houses, I believe their new house was built around 2008-2009. Alpha Chi, well if they did what we did (renting their house to the university) had a house ready to go.

Now one thing that could possibly be done, if the university does open for expansion, a sorority could buy one of the fraternity house where the chapter has left campus and fix it up and now you have a house, but that is also expensive. ADPi spent a over 1 million to get our house updated for our recolonization in 2008.

Also, what is the deal with Arizona State. I haven't lived in AZ in 4-5 years so I'm out of the loop.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

Virginia Commonwealth- we are still waiting to colonize. Originally we were supposed to colonize, in I believe, fall 2012. It was then pushed back to spring 2013. We still haven't colonized, which means the chapters who were scheduled to colonize after us have also been pushed back.

With Fall 2011 Zeta Tau Alpha colony and Spring 2012 Alpha Xi Delta colony, I can see where Alpha Delta Pi's colony was moved from Fall 2012.

Does Phi Sigma Sigma have absolute recolonization time of 2015, or can they (with ADPi, Kappa Delta, and Gamma Phi Beta) be pushed forward, too?

And when will birthrate numbers finally catch-up to the campus, causing lower CT and new member numbers? Will lower numbers even matter (housing/no housing)?

[ASUADPi]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

With Fall 2011 Zeta Tau Alpha colony and Spring 2012 Alpha Xi Delta colony, I can see where Alpha Delta Pi's colony was moved from Fall 2012.

Does Phi Sigma Sigma have absolute recolonization time of 2015, or can they (with ADPi, Kappa Delta, and Gamma Phi Beta) be pushed forward, too?

And when will birthrate numbers finally catch-up to the campus, causing lower CT and new member numbers? Will lower numbers even matter (housing/no housing)?

Wait, so VCU originally had them stacked like this:

fall 2011 ZTA
spring 2012 AxiD
fall 2012 ADPi
spring 2013 KD
fall 2013 Gamma Phi
2015 Phi Sig

Well that was just stupid. Each colony should be at least a year apart from the other one. They are already 2 years behind with the ADPi colony.

I wonder if ADPi or any of the other chapters will just "pull out" due to how long it is taking.

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

Wait, so VCU originally had them stacked like this:

fall 2011 ZTA
spring 2012 AxiD
fall 2012 ADPi
spring 2013 KD
fall 2013 Gamma Phi
2015 Phi Sig

Well that was just stupid. Each colony should be at least a year apart from the other one. They are already 2 years behind with the ADPi colony.

I wonder if ADPi or any of the other chapters will just "pull out" due to how long it is taking.

And let's not forget that AOII colonized in 2008 and AEPhi in 2009.

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

Virginia Commonwealth- we are still waiting to colonize. Originally we were supposed to colonize, in I believe, fall 2012. It was then pushed back to spring 2013. We still haven't colonized, which means the chapters who were scheduled to colonize after us have also been pushed back.

University of Arizona- one thing standing in the way with expansion there is the housing. All UA chapters have houses. Now it has been 4-5 years since I have been on the campus, but space for housing is a bit limited. Chi Omega and Sigma Kappa weren't housed on the same "row" as the other chapters. Chi Omega got a new house on the "row" in 1998. Sigma Kappa was located quite a bit farther than the other houses, I believe their new house was built around 2008-2009. Alpha Chi, well if they did what we did (renting their house to the university) had a house ready to go.

Now one thing that could possibly be done, if the university does open for expansion, a sorority could buy one of the fraternity house where the chapter has left campus and fix it up and now you have a house, but that is also expensive. ADPi spent a over 1 million to get our house updated for our recolonization in 2008.

Also, what is the deal with Arizona State. I haven't lived in AZ in 4-5 years so I'm out of the loop.

University of Arizona:There is no available (for sale) space on First or Second Streets to build. Not that anyone could afford it if there was a lot. That's the major roadblock to expansion of the NPC sororities. Simply put: can't be competitive without a facility. There are some alternatives being explored and there's nothing to report yet.

Alpha Chi Omega is refurbishing their facility and the chapter can take possession in August 2014, from what I have been told. Alpha Chi's facility is a block and a half further east on First Street and while that doesn't negatively impact the fraternities that are also located close by, somehow it does seem to impact the sororities.

Not sure that any of the fraternities would be willing to sell, all things considered with property on the campus. And honestly, would probably want to demolish any fraternity and build from the ground up. That takes millions.

No idea what's going on at ASU with housing. First I heard of it was here on GC.

[AXOrushadvisor]

Originally Posted by AZTheta

University of Arizona:There is no available (for sale) space on First or Second Streets to build. Not that anyone could afford it if there was a lot. That's the major roadblock to expansion of the NPC sororities. Simply put: can't be competitive without a facility. There are some alternatives being explored and there's nothing to report yet.

Alpha Chi Omega is refurbishing their facility and the chapter can take possession in August 2014, from what I have been told. Alpha Chi's facility is a block and a half further east on First Street and while that doesn't negatively impact the fraternities that are also located close by, somehow it does seem to impact the sororities.

Not sure that any of the fraternities would be willing to sell, all things considered with property on the campus. And honestly, would probably want to demolish any fraternity and build from the ground up. That takes millions.

No idea what's going on at ASU with housing. First I heard of it was here on GC.

I find it fascinating that 2 fraternities are currently building on First Street. Sigma Chi is really humming away on the north side of the street. I can not remember the frat building on the south side. I don't think there are any vacant frats on First or Second Street at this time but there are always rumors.

Alpha Chi will start remodeling their facility right after this semester. It should be good to go for recruitment- which they have changed and added another day to set 2. They should help out a lot but they still need to expand. There were 96 women in my daughter's PC in the fall. That is WAY to big to manage. I had heard that they were talking to some sororities about living off the grid so to speak but no one has bought off on that because they don't think they can compete.

ASU is in a housing predicament. The entire Greek community for that matter. The Chapters continue to grow. Total is now set at 173 and they are expecting a huge recruitment for F2014 1500-1800. In addition, there is really not a spot on campus large enough to hold our recruitment AND they do it during school. I think we need to make some major changes to the recruitment schedule and add those 2 houses waiting in the wings. It will be interesting to see what happens this year with recruitment and how big the numbers are but PC class of more then 70 are hard to manage and having no space to meet makes it challenging. Finding a room for chapter meetings is almost impossible. I could go on and on with the challenges of having a facility that only holds 32 women.

[2013PNM]

As a current chapter member at Alabama, we are in serious need of an expansion. The size of our chapters is getting out of hand, my pledge class ended up being over to 130 girls after the two COB periods that every chapter participated in this year (Fall and Spring).
I feel a new chapter could be very successful with the growing number of PNMs going through recruitment. Alpha Phi and DG are wonderful examples of how well new chapters have done on campus.

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by 2013PNM

As a current chapter member at Alabama, we are in serious need of an expansion. The size of our chapters is getting out of hand, my pledge class ended up being over to 130 girls after the two COB periods that every chapter participated in this year (Fall and Spring).
I feel a new chapter could be very successful with the growing number of PNMs going through recruitment. Alpha Phi and DG are wonderful examples of how well new chapters have done on campus.

I think a lot of the problem at Alabama is that they have priced themselves out of the market. There are a couple of groups that are not presently on campus that could probably make the financial commitment, but not all 26 groups could. Additionally, some of the groups not already on campus have zero name recognition in Alabama and would be taking a HUGE risk to go on there. I could see maybe 3 additional NPCs taking the plunge there, but that's about it.

(And all of that is totally my opinion, I don't know the inner workings of any NPC.)

[AnchorAlumna]

Originally Posted by 2013PNM

As a current chapter member at Alabama, we are in serious need of an expansion. The size of our chapters is getting out of hand, my pledge class ended up being over to 130 girls after the two COB periods that every chapter participated in this year.

Current total is, I believe, 260...which is pretty staggering. Many chapters are 300+.

Originally Posted by irishpipes

I think a lot of the problem at Alabama is that they have priced themselves out of the market. There are a couple of groups that are not presently on campus that could probably make the financial commitment, but not all 26 groups could.

The thing is - the present arrangement for building loans with the university is just...unprecendented, anywhere. UA is investing in Greek housing by loaning the money for building. UA owns the land, and always will. If a chapter defaults, UA gets the building. Any other time or place, the chapter would have to go to commercial lenders, which is really difficult with no collateral. It's the best time in history to bring a chapter onto campus.
But it's also the most expensive time.
I can't even wrap my head around a mortgage payment for a $12 million loan.
And what happens when, inevitably, it becomes uncool to be Greek and membership numbers drop?

[2013PNM]

Originally Posted by AnchorAlumna

Current total is, I believe, 260...which is pretty staggering. Many chapters are 300+.

Chapter total is 360.