A Penn State Disney Recruitment!

[Katmandu]

Everyone is being very kind to you and giving you good advice. I hope it is helpful.

Personally, I'd like to give you a good swift kick in the bum for being sulky/rude/non responsive in parties because you don't want to be there/don't like the girls/don't want to be invited back. But it seems you are wrestling with that, so good for you! Negativity generates negativity and recruitment is stressful for everyone involved. Try to find some good in each group-- they have seen good in you and are extending hospitality to you and perhaps an offer of lifetime sisterhood. Take care of yourself! I hope you find your home.

[Socalparent]

Originally Posted by Katmandu

Everyone is being very kind to you and giving you good advice. I hope it is helpful.

Personally, I'd like to give you a good swift kick in the bum for being sulky/rude/non responsive in parties because you don't want to be there/don't like the girls/don't want to be invited back. But it seems you are wrestling with that, so good for you! Negativity generates negativity and recruitment is stressful for everyone involved. Try to find some good in each group-- they have seen good in you and are extending hospitality to you and perhaps an offer of lifetime sisterhood. Take care of yourself! I hope you find your home.

Exactly to this. Knowing you're doing that particular behavior, knowing that it's not quite right, and still doing it......... like my daughter says "whatever". I'm sorry I just think it's rude and condescending.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by als463

I can appreciate what you are saying about taking pride in your sorority. I agree with 100% on this but, it's as if you are insinuating that these young women in these "weak" chapters do not already do some of this stuff. I know that some of these "weak" chapters at Penn State-University Park, have girls just like your sister that you talked about. I know this for a fact. You have to also remember that your frame of reference is different from what may be going on at other schools. A branch campus sorority recruitment is vastly different to what goes on at University Park. It's like comparing apples and oranges. Thankfully, there aren't any websites that "rank" the tiers at branch campuses of PSU. Girls really should take pride in their organization but, you don't know what these chapters are doing for PR. You can't really compare the two.

Whether we like it or not, there will always be "tier" talk--which is stupid. Girls just have to remember that what may be TOP on their campus is actually BOTTOM on another campus, even nearby. Sorority reputation changes from campus to campus and region to region. Certain chapters that are top at PSU struggle or have struggled at both my graduate school alma maters. One of the "bottom" chapters at PSU is actually the "top" chapter at the school I am attending now. You can't let tier talk get to you because, at the end of the day, if you look like a hot mess walking around in your letters and you don't take pride in your appearance--people are going to judge you (and unfortunately) and your organization.

There are definitely places where people ranked our sorority chapters, so I'm not sure what you mean in that regard.

You're talking to me as though I've never been on GC, haven't witnessed a larger recruitment, and can't understand that different chapters of different sororities are.. different. I understand all of this.

My point was more so that many weak recruiting chapters go though recruitment, it ends, and the thought of anything having to do with recruitment or befriending non-members goes straight out the window. And this also happens with stronger chapters. IMO, it shouldn't.

My one sister didn't completely turn things around for my chapter all by herself, but it was a start. Perceptions of chapters can obviously change. It's sometimes a struggle, but you need the attitudes of members to align and people have to want to work for it. I'm not saying that the chapters that are weak are filled with apathetic members who don't care about their sorority. Sorry if that's how you interpreted it.

[als463]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

There are definitely places where people ranked our sorority chapters, so I'm not sure what you mean in that regard.

You're talking to me as though I've never been on GC, haven't witnessed a larger recruitment, and can't understand that different chapters of different sororities are.. different. I understand all of this.

My point was more so that many weak recruiting chapters go though recruitment, it ends, and the thought of anything having to do with recruitment or befriending non-members goes straight out the window. And this also happens with stronger chapters. IMO, it shouldn't.

My one sister didn't completely turn things around for my chapter all by herself, but it was a start. Perceptions of chapters can obviously change. It's sometimes a struggle, but you need the attitudes of members to align and people have to want to work for it. I'm not saying that the chapters that are weak are filled with apathetic members who don't care about their sorority. Sorry if that's how you interpreted it.

No, actually I wasn't talking to you like that. I was explaining that your one sister wearing letters in a chapter of 10 people on a branch campus to help your PR is much different than how things go at University Park. I'm not sure where you are all ranked but, I know on various sites where they take pride in ranking (which is stupid to do), University Park gets ranked and branch campuses do not. I won't mention the name of the site but, I'm sure you understand which one I mean. My point wasn't that you didn't understand that different chapters of different sororities are different. My point was that changing a chapter's reputation at a branch campus with 2-3 sororities where chapters are much smaller is MUCH DIFFERENT than changing the reputation of a chapter at University Park where there are something like 19-20 chapters. It's apples and oranges. Your idea was like me saying, "Well, I know how Penn State recruitment goes and how things change there so, I definitely know how things work in all Big Ten recruitments or schools in the SEC." That was my point.

I will share that I did interpret your statement as thinking members in weak recruiting chapters were apathetic. I'm not mad, though. I know you wouldn't intentionally imply something like that.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by als463

No, actually I wasn't talking to you like that. I was explaining that your one sister wearing letters in a chapter of 10 people on a branch campus to help your PR is much different than how things go at University Park. I'm not sure where you are all ranked but, I know on various sites where they take pride in ranking (which is stupid to do), University Park gets ranked and branch campuses do not. I won't mention the name of the site but, I'm sure you understand which one I mean. My point wasn't that you didn't understand that different chapters of different sororities are different. My point was that changing a chapter's reputation at a branch campus with 2-3 sororities where chapters are much smaller is MUCH DIFFERENT than changing the reputation of a chapter at University Park where there are something like 19-20 chapters. It's apples and oranges. Your idea was like me saying, "Well, I know how Penn State recruitment goes and how things change there so, I definitely know how things work in all Big Ten recruitments or schools in the SEC." That was my point.

Again, you're missing my point, but we'll leave it at that. I don't want to derail this thread.

[als463]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

Again, you're missing my point, but we'll leave it at that. I don't want to derail this thread.

Please stop assuming that I am missing your point. I'm not. You made it sound that because it worked at your smaller campus it will definitely work elsewhere. That was my point.

[shadokat]

ASTAlumnae let it go for the sake of this girl's thread...c'mon, do the same!!!

Originally Posted by als463

Please stop assuming that I am missing your point. I'm not. You made it sound that because it worked at your smaller campus it will definitely work elsewhere. That was my point.