Winners, losers emerge in UA sorority race debate

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Bama54

Sorry Dr Phil was offended.

Not to worry. I'm pretty sure DrPhil wasn't offended.

If I wanted to pledge a NPHC sorority, I would be a minority. If my child, who was born in India, wanted to pledge an NPC sorority at Bama, she would be a minority. It would not offend her to be called so, nor would I be offended.

If you've been doing your part to change things over the last 20 years, then I'm sure that you're well aware that generally, "minorities" means non-whites, and that the word has not just situational meanings (like a white person in an NPHC org), but deeper and broader historical and cultural meanings.

Too bad real discussion can't be done in this thread.

Of course real discussion can be "done." At least it can unless newbies make pronouncements out of the gate about how there can' the any "real discussions"—pronouncements that easily come across as attempts to deflect real discussion.

Originally Posted by MysticCat

If you've been doing your part to change things over the last 20 years, then I'm sure that you're well aware that generally, "minorities" means non-whites, and that the word has not just situational meanings (like a white person in an NPHC org), but deeper and broader historical and cultural meanings.

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From Dictionary.com "minority."

3. group differing, especially in race, religion, or ethnic background, from the majority of a population

There was a time I was a minority at my job. I certainly was a minority at Bidgood Hall (the building that housed the school of business when I was at Alabama) and I was a minority when I worked in Haiti.

Oh and I have watched this forum for a while here and there. Even though I am retired, I don't have the time or inclination to make 100s of posting on chat boards.

So that being said, if anyone has the information and wants to be kind enough to ask the question originally asked, thank you.

I won't respond further to immature and rude comments.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Bama54

From Dictionary.com "minority."

3. group differing, especially in race, religion, or ethnic background, from the majority of a population.

And in this country, unlike Haiti, the majority of the population is white, so the minority is non-white. People, particularly white people, who use the words "minority" or "minorities" without further explanation or qualification rarely if ever mean anything else unless they (1) qualify how they were or are a minority, like by being a white student at an HBCU, and (2) are trying to suggest that that experience gives them an understanding of what it's like to be non-white in American society.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Bama54

Thank you Blue Skies and Yes, Tichou that is exactly what I am talking about. Sorry Dr Phil was offended. If I wanted to pledge a NPHC sorority, I would be a minority. If my child, who was born in India, wanted to pledge an NPC sorority at Bama, she would be a minority. It would not offend her to be called so, nor would I be offended.
Too bad real discussion can't be done in this thread. The subject is something I have done my part to change over the past 20 years. I am very happy these young women spoke up and even more happy at the pact the NPC sororities have made.
Contrary to what many of you apparently believe all Alabama Greek Alums are not prejudiced and even more difficult for you to believe is that those of us who grew up in the 60s are even less so. But then, we are the women who fought with our sisters of all races in the business world to open doors that were closed to women of all races.
Thank you.

It's great that you're participating here. Don't feel too attacked here, you've just come out and stated how you have fought with your sisters of all races in the business world, but back at (I'm assuming) your alma mater, all it took to really get a lot of folks at least give the issue lip service was for ONE collegian to come out about it in a public manner.

[Jen]

You come off like you think your experience being a minority at your job equals the experience of ethnic minorities every day of their lives. Even as a "minority" in your job and in foreign countries, you still have white privilege and always will.

[Titchou]

Not a peep about time limits on COB in the Green Book.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Titchou

Not a peep about time limits on COB in the Green Book.

Thanks oodleroos.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Thanks oodleroos.

Plus, if there were, you could just re-extend the bid as many times as you wanted.

[Hartofsec]

Originally Posted by Titchou

Not a peep about time limits on COB in the Green Book.

lol, there is probably a lot about this situation that isn't in your Green Book.

[ADPiEE]

thread crash...
I haven't been keeping up with this issue too much and I'm lost trying to read this thread but to answer the original question, it appears from social media that ADPi has an Alpha who is AA...which I would assume makes them a winner.
Several AA NPC girls in Texas so I don't have a huge grasp on why this is a big deal but apparently it is

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by ADPiEE

Many AA NPC girls in Texas

I doubt it.

Since Kevin quoted Bama54's "I'm a good white person" rant, suffice it to say the average white woman who grew up in the 1960s was not fighting along with racial and ethnic minority women for gender equality in the workforce. The majority of white women were fighting alongside other white women. Poor white women and nonwhite women were overwhelmingly excluded. Examples of this are in Black feminism (bell hooks is one perspective), the history behind the Black power movements, and the struggles that Black women faced in fighting alongside our sexist (in general) Black men. Many Black women preferred to fight for Black power than to further women's liberation with overwhelmingly racist (in general) white women.

It is wonderful if Bama54 was among those relative few who were fighting alongside nonwhite women but that was not a general truth and it shouldn't be presented as such.


But I call bullshit on Bama54. A real discussion has happened in plenty of threads. Bama54's late self is not presenting anything new. And people like Bama54 cannot have a real discussion because they still need to learn what "minority" means. People who need Introductory courses cannot have discussions. Further, I call bullsht because someone who claims to have been fighting for rights with nonwhite women would not be dumb enough to not know what minority means in this context. Bullshit...I call it.

[ADPiEE]

[QUOTE=DrPhil;2242057]I doubt it.

I probably should have said several over the years. I know of several AA active members/alumnae in my own group from Texas and several active/alumnae AA from other NPC's from Texas. They have been from large Texas Greek systems and small Texas Greek systems, as well as both urban and more rural Greek systems. I can't speak for UT but I know Tech had their first AA NPC member almost 20 years ago.

I'm not saying that Texas is the land of equal NPC diversity (I think partially because we have very large, popular NPHC and multicultural groups to compete with) but I will say some Texas Greek systems, in my observation, are fairly diverse with members of all races (including AA)/religions/etc.

Some meaning around 5
Several meaning more than 10

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I doubt it.

It is wonderful if Bama54 was among those relative few who were fighting alongside nonwhite women but that was not a general truth and it shouldn't be presented as such.

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You are wrong. In the 70s, 80s and 90s women united together to make a difference in the workplace.
I can tell you women of all races were discriminated against by men of all races. FACT! I know all about tokenism, having been a woman in a traditional male field starting in the 70s.

Still don't know why you are so nasty.
Obviously you are not at the University of Alabama, so why did you even respond? I found my answer by the way.
Don't presume to know me or what I stand for especially in public. I could make public presumptions about you which would be right on the money, but I won't.
Enjoy living your life on chat forums. I have better things to do.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by ADPiEE

I probably should have said several over the years.

Ohhhh...darn....

I want people to stop exaggerating when it comes to race and ethnicity. I saw many white people at the airport today but I only sat beside one white person on the plane. Pretty straightforward.

Originally Posted by Bama54

I can tell you women of all races were discriminated against by men of all races. FACT!

DUH. That doesn't mean that women overwhelmingly banded together across race, ethnicity, and socioeconomic status to fight that discrimination. People with even a basic understanding of the intersection of race and ethnicity, gender, and social class in a capitalist society would understand that.

By the way, racial and ethnic minority men did not/do not have the same power that white men had/have. The majority of the discrimination was done/is done by white men because they did/do the majority of hiring and firing. Racial and ethnic minority men benefit on the basis of gender but arguably white women benefit more. Generally speaking, when white women struggled they had their white men to fall back on. When racial and ethnic minority men struggled, generally speaking, they had their overwhelmingly low income or unemployed racial and ethnic minority women to fall back on.*

*Certain Asian ethnicities tend to be exceptions when discussing income and employment across gender and race and ethnicity

Originally Posted by Bama54

Still don't know why you are so nasty.
Obviously you are not at the University of Alabama, so why did you even respond? I found my answer by the way.
Don't presume to know me or what I stand for especially in public. I could make public presumptions about you which would be right on the money, but I won't.
Enjoy living your life on chat forums. I have better things to do.

I apologize if you feel like a minority. *giving you the Minority Hug*

Power to the people.

[DubaiSis]

I think we have great discussions here, this Bama thing being a great example. This is a very complicated and awkward situation. Can we as individuals solve ANY of it? Probably not. I'm not aware of any active Bama sorority women who frequent this site and they are the only ones who would have any real power. HOWEVER, we can learn more about the deeper issues of a "post racial" America, because it doesn't exist. We can also learn that some of the things we say as fact or common sense are neither. And we can speculate about how to save the world, one rush and one campus at a time. How do you fight tokenism when you are trying to move from zero to some? How do you do this without making the young women in question feel like so much raw meat? How can we ensure that our alumnae everywhere turn off the douchiness? These things can be discussed, and have been often. When discussion can't happen is when you say something stupid, get called on it and flounce off. A better debater and/or conversationalist would instead 1-cry mea culpa, 2-argue her point because she still thinks she's right or 3-zip it because responding simply will not help.