Trusting the system when there is bad situation

[AOII Angel]

I don't see any CPC refusing to let a group of NMs repledge should their chapter close. It is a special circumstance. The UA about depledging is to prevent poaching of NMs. That has nothing to do with a closed chapter which hurts the NMs at no fault of theirs.

[Titchou]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I don't see any CPC refusing to let a group of NMs repledge should their chapter close. It is a special circumstance. The UA about depledging is to prevent poaching of NMs. That has nothing to do with a closed chapter which hurts the NMs at no fault of theirs.

I don't either - but one never knows.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Titchou

I don't either - but one never knows.

Exactly. As I stated in the other thread where we were talking about this (where I pretty much came to the same conclusion as Titchou did) this "primary recruitment period" stuff that seems to be relatively new in the MOI can bite me hard.

You also have to consider the possibility of a mixed locals/NPCs campus where the locals rush at the same time as NPCs. Imagine if an NPC chapter closes and the local groups dig that particular rule up. They would say (and rightly so) "well, the way this reads, we can take these girls whenever we want, but the NPCs can't." Then NPC screwed itself out of members.

For as long as I can remember, the rule has been that if a woman 1) transfers or 2) the chapter she's pledging closes before she's initiated, she's eligible to pledge elsewhere IMMEDIATELY. Even if it's in the middle of the semester, even if it's over holidays. This is really the fairest thing to do since neither of these things are the woman's fault. I really would like to know why it was changed.

[AlphaFrog]

Ok, question (potential hypothetical option)...


So, her PNM goes through recruitment, gets a bid to this chapter in question, decides she likes it enough to give it a shot. The chapter is in the dire straights that the OP thinks they are. Could the PNM stay in the chapter and choose not to initiate, but continue her pledge period to the next semester to see what happens? This way, she's not TOTALLY committed to the chapter should they close, but she's still giving them a shot to see what happens....after a year, she should have a good idea of whether the chapter should be viable enough to continue.

As someone who's chapter closed the semester after I was initiated, I really kinda wish I knew how dire our situation was before I initiated. I don't know that I would have done anything different, but I felt cheated not knowing.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Exactly. As I stated in the other thread where we were talking about this (where I pretty much came to the same conclusion as Titchou did) this "primary recruitment period" stuff that seems to be relatively new in the MOI can bite me hard.

You also have to consider the possibility of a mixed locals/NPCs campus where the locals rush at the same time as NPCs. Imagine if an NPC chapter closes and the local groups dig that particular rule up. They would say (and rightly so) "well, the way this reads, we can take these girls whenever we want, but the NPCs can't." Then NPC screwed itself out of members.

For as long as I can remember, the rule has been that if a woman 1) transfers or 2) the chapter she's pledging closes before she's initiated, she's eligible to pledge elsewhere IMMEDIATELY. Even if it's in the middle of the semester, even if it's over holidays. This is really the fairest thing to do since neither of these things are the woman's fault. I really would like to know why it was changed.

These rules have no bearing on locals, so whether they changed the rules or not would not fix a situation with locals.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

These rules have no bearing on locals, so whether they changed the rules or not would not fix a situation with locals.

I meant that with the rule as written now (with the lack of clarity...two different things in two different sections)...the pledges were pledged after formal rush in August. The chapter closes in late September. According to that effed up "primary recruitment period" business, they could not pledge another NPC group until next August. They could, however, pledge a local group immediately. In a situation where the locals and nationals are rushing together and really have no day to day difference, this would be all sorts of negative for ALL the NPCs.

The point of all this is that they need to clarify that they are NOT talking about chapter closures in the section Titchou quoted - i.e. they need to say "if an INDIVIDUAL'S pledge is broken" or something of the like.

As far as asking a group to hold you over if you're worried about the chapter closing, the chapter might be perfectly ok and understanding and super willing to do that. The national entity might see things differently.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I meant that with the rule as written now (with the lack of clarity...two different things in two different sections)...the pledges were pledged after formal rush in August. The chapter closes in late September. According to that effed up "primary recruitment period" business, they could not pledge another NPC group until next August. They could, however, pledge a local group immediately. In a situation where the locals and nationals are rushing together and really have no day to day difference, this would be all sorts of negative for ALL the NPCs.

The point of all this is that they need to clarify that they are NOT talking about chapter closures in the section Titchou quoted - i.e. they need to say "if an INDIVIDUAL'S pledge is broken" or something of the like.

As far as asking a group to hold you over if you're worried about the chapter closing, the chapter might be perfectly ok and understanding and super willing to do that. The national entity might see things differently.

I see what you are saying. In most places, however, CPCs prevent locals from doing this type of thing if they are on a campus with multiple other chapters. It's best for Greek harmony. If it is a single NPC functioning on a campus with a lot of locals, they don't really have an expectation of any UA being upheld on that campus. I agree that "primary recruitment period" opens the rules to a lot of interpretation, but not necessarily to just locals who don't have to necessarily follow these rules anyway. Clarification of that terms meaning for each re ruie t type would've helpful.