Ohio State Budget Abortion Restrictions

[AGDee]

IrishLake- I totally agree that there should be more services to support women who might consider adoption if they had the medical means and psychological support to do so. There are so many ways to help reduce the number of abortions in this country that are NOT employed. Instead of increasing availability to birth control, education and support, they simply enact laws that hurt women instead of helping them. I just don't think force and coercion are the right means.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Further, if one believes a fetus is a life, it's intellectually inconsistent to think it is okay in cases of rape or incest. Life is life.

Agree completely.

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

Thank you! Not everyone in this country is religious. Not everyone thinks it's a sin to get an abortion.. or to be gay.. or whatever it is that these people want us to believe.

To be fair to those who oppose abortion on religious grounds, though, it's not just that they believe it's a sin. They believe it is the killing of another human, an innocent human. They believe it is murder. The belief that murder is wrong is certainly not limited to religious people -- it's pretty much a given in most societies.

So, from the perspective of those who oppose abortion on religious grounds, it's not a matter of "I think it's a sin, so everyone else should as well." Rather, it's a matter of a moral imperative to prevent the killing of innocent humans and to object when the culture (in their view) condones the murder of those unable to protect or speak for themselves.

Obviously, not everyone agrees with that view. But if the question is going to be asked "Why don't they understand that not everyone thinks abortion is a sin and stop telling us what to do?," then there needs to be some understanding that to a person who opposes abortion on religious grounds, that question makes no more sense than asking "Why don't they understand that not everyone thinks genocide is a sin?"

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by Kelsium

you know what they say, there's no better way to a woman's heart than through a trans-vaginal ultrasound.

Question: Are trans-vaginal ultrasounds being required by any of the states with these laws? Or are they only trans-abdominal? These are two VERY different things.

I've had a (non-pregnancy related) trans-vaginal ultrasound before, and they're no picnic. A trans-abdominal ultrasound is not nearly as invasive.

Regardless, I don't agree with them being required. I'd just be interested to know if the trans-vaginal ultrasound is being forced on women.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

Question: Are trans-vaginal ultrasounds being required by any of the states with these laws? Or are they only trans-abdominal? These are two VERY different things.

I've had a (non-pregnancy related) trans-vaginal ultrasound before, and they're no picnic. A trans-abdominal ultrasound is not nearly as invasive.

Regardless, I don't agree with them being required. I'd just be interested to know if the trans-vaginal ultrasound is being forced on women.

We passed that law in Oklahoma, but it was overturned by our Supreme Court because it violated our single-subject rule (bills must embrace a single subject and this bill contained multiple restrictions). This legislation is being crafted by ALEC or some other sort of special interest group and our legislators are too dumb here to break things up into multiple bills instead of just submit what they were given by the special interests lock stock and barrell.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

Question: Are trans-vaginal ultrasounds being required by any of the states with these laws? Or are they only trans-abdominal? These are two VERY different things.

I've had a (non-pregnancy related) trans-vaginal ultrasound before, and they're no picnic. A trans-abdominal ultrasound is not nearly as invasive.

Regardless, I don't agree with them being required. I'd just be interested to know if the trans-vaginal ultrasound is being forced on women.

A law which was struck down in Oklahoma required transvaginal ultrasounds.