Paula Deen's use of the "N"-Word

[Kevin]

With impunity? I don't believe I've read the same things you have. I read that she admitted to using the word "in the past" at a deposition, not that she uses it currently with impunity.

My father, who is around 70, grew up in NW Oklahoma. They had a black guy who worked for their family occasionally who went by "N_ Jim."

It was a different time.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Kevin

With impunity? I don't believe I've read the same things you have. I read that she admitted to using the word "in the past" at a deposition, not that she uses it currently with impunity.

My father, who is around 70, grew up in NW Oklahoma. They had a black guy who worked for their family occasionally who went by "N_ Jim."

It was a different time.

Calling a man "N_ Jim", even with his permission, is racist.

As for Ms. Deen, when asked if she used the N-word, she replied "of course".

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Calling a man "N_ Jim", even with his permission, is racist.

As for Ms. Deen, when asked if she used the N-word, she replied "of course".

And by today's standards, in Enid, Oklahoma, everyone was racist. That was the culture. And if you're not from here, maybe you wouldn't understand, but "of course" is the only truthful answer anyone who grew up in the South in that era or even South-adjacent would say. It was very much like the movie, The Help My father, for a lot of his childhood, grew up in a similarly ostracized manner. His mother was courageous enough to get a divorce from his alcoholic, physically abusive father, and she was not accepted in polite society until she remarried (and she did pretty well in that department).

My father's step father was from Alabama, and was directly related to Gen. Joseph E. Johnston of the Confederate Army. They went on a tour of the Deep South during the 1960s, which included a trip to the old Plantation. At that time, the Plantation was up and running, they had black employees who resided in the former slave barracks who were compensated with company scrip, only redeemable at the company store, and for all intents and purposes, they remained slaves. The owner of this Plantation was the grandson of the General. He was an elderly man in a wheelchair who had a confederate flag blanket in his lap. He lectured them about the wrongs of the Civil Rights movement and whatever else you might imagine would be perfectly horrible to say.

People are a product of their times and cultures. Was it wrong by today's standards? No question. Are folks who are a product of their time and culture redeemable? Why not?

[Mizeree I2K]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Calling a man "N_ Jim", even with his permission, is racist.

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It is. And folks who were raised up by dudes like that hold the same or similar attitude. Dude probably laughed like it was a joke when his dad told him that.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Mizeree I2K

It is. And folks who were raised up by dudes like that hold the same or similar attitude. Dude probably laughed like it was a joke when his dad told him that.

Laughed? No... More like disbelief at how much we've changed in so short a time. This was only 50-60 years ago. The folks who used to be comfortable addressing someone as "N_ Jim" wouldn't dream of it today and only tell those stories to illustrate how we were, not how we are.

That's how when I hear about Deen saying she had certainly used that word, I'm not reading into it as much as others here. It's how things used to be.

[Mizeree I2K]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Laughed? No... More like disbelief at how much we've changed in so short a time. This was only 50-60 years ago. The folks who used to be comfortable addressing someone as "N_ Jim" wouldn't dream of it today and only tell those stories to illustrate how we were, not how we are.

Short period of time? Really dude? It took a lot longer than 50-60 years of struggling. I'm talking over 400 years. And we still have a long way to go. These legal documents still crack me up. Everybody is some kind of "American". African American, Asian American, Native American, and the list goes on. I'm still waiting on "European American", when is that going to be added to the list? We haven't come a long way. Race is still an issue, and white folks TODAY are still the ones benefiting from all the oppression and bullshit they put us through.

Originally Posted by Kevin

It's how things used to be.

And today it's the same shit different toilet.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by Mizeree I2K

Short period of time? Really dude? It took a lot longer than 50-60 years of struggling. I'm talking over 400 years. And we still have a long way to go. These legal documents still crack me up. Everybody is some kind of "American". African American, Asian American, Native American, and the list goes on. I'm still waiting on "European American", when is that going to be added to the list? We haven't come a long way. Race is still an issue, and white folks TODAY are still the ones benefiting from all the oppression and bullshit they put us through.


And today it's the same shit different toilet.

While we still have long way to go, you really can't say that we we haven't come a long way. Slavery no longer exist, and there are legal protections against other kinds of discrimination. In fact this whole Paula Deen thing illustrates how far we have gone because of the sheer amount of outrage her comments are causing.

[Mizeree I2K]

Originally Posted by Arnold Poppi :P

I'm in school to become a gastroenterologist assistant, and you wouldn't believe the struggles I am having. I'm also a white guy. Black people aren't the only people who struggle in this country.

LOL @ Dr. Wackenstein over here talkin shit with two posts. Dude, take your trollin, Arnold Poppin ass somewhere and fuck off. Up in here posting pics of some dude sitting in a chair bustin his ass, and then gonna turn around and expect folks to take you seriously.

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

While we still have long way to go, you really can't say that we we haven't come a long way. Slavery no longer exist, and there are legal protections against other kinds of discrimination. In fact this whole Paula Deen thing illustrates how far we have gone because of the sheer amount of outrage her comments are causing.

Don't tell me what I can and can't say. The physical act of slavery no longer exist, but the damage of it does.

[AnchorAlum]

Originally Posted by Mizeree I2K

Short period of time? Really dude? It took a lot longer than 50-60 years of struggling. I'm talking over 400 years. And we still have a long way to go. These legal documents still crack me up. Everybody is some kind of "American". African American, Asian American, Native American, and the list goes on. I'm still waiting on "European American", when is that going to be added to the list? We haven't come a long way. Race is still an issue, and white folks TODAY are still the ones benefiting from all the oppression and bullshit they put us through.


And today it's the same shit different toilet.

How about we drop all the hyphenated "shit" (guess that's ok since you used it) period. We are all AMERICANS.

I didn't watch her show, didn't like the fake accent and all those recipes with butter, salt, and sugar, so I don't care if she is off the air one bit. What a dummy this woman is. I hope she socked away her money cause she is DONE.

White folks put you through shit? Really? How old are you?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AnchorAlum

How about we drop all the hyphenated "shit" (guess that's ok since you used it) period. We are all AMERICANS.

White folks put you through shit? Really? How old are you?

The bolded cliche' is a quick fix fantasy that has been used for generations. It is the foundation for acculturation and assimilation in the United States of America. The technicality of dropping hyphens is the same thing as "colorblindness". It boils down to a false rainbow pissing pony routine of pretending as though every citizen of the United States of America is the exact same. Then it involves shaming groups of people for identifying with their racial, ethnic, cultural, language, religious, and cultural origins that span beyond the United States of America. Humans cannot multitask and therefore everyone has to pretend to be carbon copies of whatever defines "America" for that generation.

IotaGuy's language is shortsighted and colorful (definitely no pun intended) but IotaGuy is definitely not too young to experience social inequalities rooted in race and ethnicity and the remnants of slavery, Jim Crow, and the Civil Rights Movement. If a 20-30-something year old homosexual man said that he experienced heterocentrism and oppression on the part of heterocentric individuals and institutions, he would hopefully not be told he is too young to know what is going on around him.

Originally Posted by AnchorAlum

And furthermore, my family put no one through bullshit. My family came over here from Ireland in 1914. Nobody in my family owned anybody else. EVER.

Well, since you took this discussion personally and falsely believe this boils down to your family and slave ownership, you should read historian Noel Ignatiev's How the Irish Became White.

Originally Posted by AnchorAlum

You know what's shameful? That we're sitting here arguing about that silly woman while a TRUE leader for his race, a man who fought for justice for his people is lying in a hospital in South Africa, in critical condition. Some news sources hinting that this icon is nearing the end of his days.

God Bless Nelson Mandela.

This is a common response when discussing social inequalities. People pretend as though we cannot multitask (similar to the "we are American" thing). Certainly you do not think Greekchat should shut down all of its threads until 94 year old Nelson Mandela either recovers or is blessed to transcend into the afterlife.

By the way, do not use the phrase "leader for his race". Mandela fought for justice, is someone who I was raised to research and know a great deal about, but Mandela himself would not want his battles to be reduced to leadership for a particular race and ethnicity. Nelson Mandela is a leader in the world, period, and his impact is not relegated to the racial and ethnic category with which he proudly identifies. Just as you would not call the many white icons and leaders around the world leaders for the white race.

But thanks for reminding me of how annoyed I was with this article a few days ago: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ep-segregatio/

Originally Posted by maconmagnolia

reverse racism

Dear Whites,

Please stop using this phrase. And please stop confusing discomfort with racism.

With Love and Respect,
DrPhil

[agzg]

Originally Posted by Arnold Poppi :P

I'm in school to become a gastroenterologist assistant, and you wouldn't believe the struggles I am having. I'm also a white guy. Black people aren't the only people who struggle in this country.

Oh for fuck's sake.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by agzg

Oh for fuck's sake.

Amen. Life is hard. Wah, wah, wah, wah.

[StealthMode]

Originally Posted by agzg

Oh for fuck's sake.

I am Black and I approve of this message.

[Old_Row]

Originally Posted by Arnold Poppi :P

I'm in school to become a gastroenterologist assistant, and you wouldn't believe the struggles I am having. I'm also a white guy. Black people aren't the only people who struggle in this country.

Maybe you should find another thing to study since I guess you aren't too fortunate in the brains department if you really believe this is even comparable!

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Arnold Poppi :P

I'm in school to become a gastroenterologist assistant, and you wouldn't believe the struggles I am having. I'm also a white guy. Black people aren't the only people who struggle in this country.

What a coincidence. I have some links for you in my signature.