Yankee Girl Survives First Year at Southern University

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by naraht

Well, I'd say you have degrees of "cultural southernness" in Texas. I mean no one is going to consider Beaumont anything by culturally southern, and no one is going to consider El Paso culturally southern.

To give you an idea, I consider Dallas culturally southern, but not Ft. Worth. I tend to go off the descriptions in "Nine Nations of North America" which has Houston as a border town between "Dixie", "The Breadbasket" and Mex-america. Given the degree to which the borders of Dixie have shrunk in Florida and Virginia in the 30 years since NNoNA has been published and what I have read about Houston poltics, I presumed the border had moved enough in Texas to move Houston slightly outside the definition.

Not familiar with your source, but if it includes St Louis as "culturally southern" (see your earlier post), then I don't know how much stock I'd put in its definitions.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by OneHeartOneWay

Random: I'm obsessed with Clay Travis and Outkick the Coverage. Have been following him from job to job for several years. If you like southernness (and can laugh at yourself if you are southern), particularly SEC football, you HAVE to read his book Dixieland Delight. And, you have to check his website fairly regularly, but definitely on Friday's when his "mailbag" comes out (where amiblue? pulled this).

He's a fun writer. Obnoxious at times, but I enjoy his perspective. Dixieland Delight is certainly a good read.

[shirley1929]

Originally Posted by naraht

To give you an idea, I consider Dallas culturally southern, but not Ft. Worth.

This is a mistake (my opinion)...Dallas is as culturally southern as Nebraska. Fort Worth is far more southern-acting than Dallas. Dallas the city =/= Dallas the TV show.

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I would say that Houston as a whole is not southern, but there are very strong enclaves of southerness.

I would agree and tell you that the older neighborhoods (River Oaks, Heights, Memorial Park, etc...) are what would drive my opinion to believe that Houston is far more southern-acting than noted here. I suppose the same argument could be made for Dallas' older neighborhoods, but I still say it's too much of a midwestern melting pot to be considered "southern". Northern Oklahoma...

Originally Posted by amIblue?

Not familiar with your source, but if it includes St Louis as "culturally southern" (see your earlier post), then I don't know how much stock I'd put in its definitions.

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[naraht]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

Not familiar with your source, but if it includes St Louis as "culturally southern" (see your earlier post), then I don't know how much stock I'd put in its definitions.

St. Louis is another border town, and an odd one at that. It is on the border between the Breadbasket (to its north and west) and Dixie (to its south and east), but East St. Louis belongs in the Foundry.

[ArtsyChick]

I took a trip to San Antonio for a cousin's wedding... I definitely can't pull off the "y'all", I have no drawl! Nice trip for some warm weather, I love the Midwestern winter, but it snowed last week! It's supposed to be spring!

Oh, and the San Antonio river walk is gorgeous!!

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

Yep, Memphis is SOL just like the people in San Antonio and Shreveport and damn near every other city down here except for Atlanta, Miami, Dallas, and Houston.

If you're not going to be picky about the entire point of the thread, why don't you also include states that are franchise-free or with only a few franchises like the Dakotas, Nevada, Oregon, Vermont, and Hawaii to make your point?

Because I don't take what's been posted in this thread as seriously as you do, I guess?

I used some states in the southern half of the US as an example. That's all. Sorry if I somehow offended you..

[ASTalumna06]

I would also argue that the distance between cities with professional sports teams is greater in the south than in the north. And the New England states like Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire are "cut off" from other major cities with sports teams and don't have one large college to rally around, so they follow the professional teams in Boston more than anything else.

[HQWest]

Originally Posted by shirley1929

This is a mistake (my opinion)...Dallas is as culturally southern as Nebraska. Fort Worth is far more southern-acting than Dallas. Dallas the city =/= Dallas the TV show.



I would agree and tell you that the older neighborhoods (River Oaks, Heights, Memorial Park, etc...) are what would drive my opinion to believe that Houston is far more southern-acting than noted here. I suppose the same argument could be made for Dallas' older neighborhoods, but I still say it's too much of a midwestern melting pot to be considered "southern". Northern Oklahoma...


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The best way to describe it is Dallas is a small piece of Chicago that drifted south and got lost. The Woodlands or Katy might be trying to be southern, but Houston isn't for the most part. Hang out in Atlanta for five minutes and you will see the difference.

Texas is its own country.

[barbino]

Originally Posted by ArtsyChick

I took a trip to San Antonio for a cousin's wedding... I definitely can't pull off the "y'all", I have no drawl! Nice trip for some warm weather, I love the Midwestern winter, but it snowed last week! It's supposed to be spring!

Oh, and the San Antonio river walk is gorgeous!!

We went to San Antonio for our honeymoon (15 years ago this week!) and it is my favorite town. The River Walk is amazing. I have always wanted to move to SA, and we almost did at one point. To me, it's very "Tex-Mex" - a little bit of Texas & a little bit of Mexico combined.

[srmom]

Texas is its own country.

Yes! Although with all the out of state plates lately, I think we are being invaded

[limegreen]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

I would also argue that the distance between cities with professional sports teams is greater in the south than in the north. And the New England states like Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire are "cut off" from other major cities with sports teams and don't have one large college to rally around, so they follow the professional teams in Boston more than anything else.

So very true. In the Midwest you can be in any number of cities within 2-3 hours. Chicago and Milwaukee are only an hour apart. Most of the major cities in the South are a healthy 3-4 hour drive apart.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by HQWest

The best way to describe it is Dallas is a small piece of Chicago that drifted south and got lost. The Woodlands or Katy might be trying to be southern, but Houston isn't for the most part. Hang out in Atlanta for five minutes and you will see the difference.

Texas is its own country.

True statement!

Originally Posted by shirley1929

I would agree and tell you that the older neighborhoods (River Oaks, Heights, Memorial Park, etc...) are what would drive my opinion to believe that Houston is far more southern-acting than noted here. I suppose the same argument could be made for Dallas' older neighborhoods, but I still say it's too much of a midwestern melting pot to be considered "southern". Northern Oklahoma...

It's definitely too much of a melting pot. The entire city is growing exponentially with people from all over the country (and the world). I live just south of Memorial Park in the Galleria area, and I've been all over the Heights, River Oaks, etc., and I don't get a southern feel at all. Farther west - in Katy, the Woodlands, as HQWest pointed out - maybe.

[clemsongirl]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

I would also argue that the distance between cities with professional sports teams is greater in the south than in the north. And the New England states like Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire are "cut off" from other major cities with sports teams and don't have one large college to rally around, so they follow the professional teams in Boston more than anything else.

Oh, absolutely. The Red Sox have a state celebration day for every New England state because their fanbase is mostly comprised of those six tiny states, and the New England Patriots are named as such for similar reasons (and also because the team is actually not that close to Boston). Boston is the cultural hub of New England, so we're all drawn to what goes on in it.

South Carolina, in my opinion, doesn't have one centralized hub but rather three fanbase regions-Clemson, Columbia, and Charleston, with less emphasis on Charleston because they don't have a college football team. South Carolinians root for a collegiate team not only because that's what's closest to them but also because even if they didn't go to the school lots of people around them have and it best represents that area.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by clemsongirl

Oh, absolutely. The Red Sox have a state celebration day for every New England state because their fanbase is mostly comprised of those six tiny states, and the New England Patriots are named as such for similar reasons (and also because the team is actually not that close to Boston). Boston is the cultural hub of New England, so we're all drawn to what goes on in it.

Although CT tends to be split between supporting Boston and New York teams. You can even find a mix in certain areas of RI.

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by clemsongirl

Ooh, another Southern/Northern difference I just thought of-collegiate sports versus professional sports.

Southerners are all about the college sports

The University Of Alabama-Huntsville Men's Ice Hockey Team would love to see these people at their games.