Dual Memberships

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by naraht

OK, for a Sorority which is a member of the NPC, is Sigma Alpha Iota the only national women-only collegiate Title IX exempt group that their members can belong to simultaneously? I know we've got NPC/SAI dual members here on Greekchat. Theoretically would a NPC/NPHC dual sorority membership be allowed?

I know that members of both NPC and NPHC sororities have said in the past that dual memberships are prohibited. Where that might be written down, if it is, I couldn't tell you.

Similarly for a Fraternity which is a member of the NIC, is Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia the *only* national men-only collegiate Title IX exempt group that their members can belong to simultaneously? Not sure if we have any NIC/PMA here on Greekchat. Theoretically would a NIC/NPHC dual fraternity membership be allowed? (and I'm excluding those groups that belong to both NIC & NPHC like Alpha Phi Alpha) (so if you have to pick an example: Alpha Tau Omega/Omega Psi Phi).

I can't say if we're the only group like you describe, but off the top of my head I can't think of another. That said, even though there is no national prohibition, dual memberships can still be prohibitied on some campuses where a Sinfonia chapter is an IFC member.

And I would note that Omega Psi Phi is the only NPHC fraternity that is not also in the NIC, so I think it's the only org for which your theoretical NIC/NPHC question could apply.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I know that members of both NPC and NPHC sororities have said in the past that dual memberships are prohibited. Where that might be written down, if it is, I couldn't tell you.

I can't say if we're the only group like you describe, but off the top of my head I can't think of another. That said, even though there is no national prohibition, dual memberships can still be prohibitied on some campuses where a Sinfonia chapter is an IFC member.

And I would note that Omega Psi Phi is the only NPHC fraternity that is not also in the NIC, so I think it's the only org for which your theoretical NIC/NPHC question could apply.

Hmm. So Phi Mu Alpha/NIC dual ability varies by campus, that sort of surprises me; individual Phi Mu Alpha chapter decision, university rules, or something else?

I knew that 3 of the 5 NPHC Fraternities were in, but I thought it was either Phi Beta Sigma or Kappa Alpha Psi, not both. I was wrong.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by naraht

Hmm. So Phi Mu Alpha/NIC dual ability varies by campus, that sort of surprises me; individual Phi Mu Alpha chapter decision, university rules, or something else?

I don't have first-hand experience with it, so I stand to be corrected. But my understanding is that on many if not all campuses where our chapters are members of IFC, part of joining IFC is an agreement not to allow dual memberships with other IFC chapters -- in other words, to play by the same rules with regard to dual membership that other IFC fraternities play by.

Bear in mind that while many chapters do belong to IFCs, most of our chapters do not. (I don't have hard numbers, but my sense is that the chapters belonging to IFC tend to be on smaller campuses.) The decision to join a campus IFC is made by the chapter in consultation with national staff/officers based on what works best for the chapter.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I don't have first-hand experience with it, so I stand to be corrected. But my understanding is that on many if not all campuses where our chapters are members of IFC, part of joining IFC is an agreement not to allow dual memberships with other IFC chapters -- in other words, to play by the same rules with regard to dual membership that other IFC fraternities play by.

Bear in mind that while many chapters do belong to IFCs, most of our chapters do not. (I don't have hard numbers, but my sense is that the chapters belonging to IFC tend to be on smaller campuses.) The decision to join a campus IFC is made by the chapter in consultation with national staff/officers based on what works best for the chapter.

I've seen Alpha Phi Omega (the co-ed service fraternity)l on a few cases get shoved onto the greek council, but as you said campuses with a small number of social greeks. The "if you pledge, you end up on the council" rule. However I've not seen any Alpha Phi Omega chapter where that has let to limitations on who can join.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by naraht

I knew that 3 of the 5 NPHC Fraternities were in, but I thought it was either Phi Beta Sigma or Kappa Alpha Psi, not both. I was wrong.

Iota Phi Theta is the forth NPHC fraternity that is also a member of the NIC. An interesting historical note is that Iota Phi Theta joined the NIC in 1985 - eleven years before they joined the NPHC in 1996.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by TSteven

Iota Phi Theta is the forth NPHC fraternity that is also a member of the NIC. An interesting historical note is that Iota Phi Theta joined the NIC in 1985 - eleven years before they joined the NPHC in 1996.

I was use of APhiA and IPhiTheta, it was ZPhiB and KAPsi I wasn't sure of...

The difference is that the NIC *had* rules on how a Fraternity would join it...