Might sound weird, but if I am being completely honest...

[Old_Row]

Originally Posted by socalmarci

... I have to admit that I kind of like the idea of hazing.

Now, that's not to say that I like all forms of hazing; but I do believe there can be some useful applications of hazing. Personally, I like the idea of being put through something possibly uncomfortable or unpleasant to earn something I consider of value. I mean take military boot camp for example, some of the sh!t that takes place is considered hazing; but it's not without purpose. I think that a fraternity or sorority who puts new members through similar types of rigor could build some strong characteristics and bonding in their initiates; so long as there is a true and legitimate higher purpose.

Ultimately, many hazing rituals can be viewed as symbolic references to life experiences. Sometimes life 'hits' you, and if you're a punk then life is going to F you up, but if you can learn to take those 'hits' and still continue on with what you've set out to accomplish there's value in that.

I would like to have a set of fairly hardcore rituals and exercises specifically geared toward preparing initiates for tough conditions that may arise during their college tenure and early stages of their professional careers, even their personal lives and relationships; all that are fun, stressful, painful, tiring, emotional, embarrassing, motivating, and inspiring. Maybe some people will get hurt, maybe some people will want to drop-out, maybe some people will have emotional breakdowns, but in the end their brothers are 100% committed to everyone making it through and being better because of it, and they will love each other for it. Is that so wrong? Am I just crazy? Is this just some fantasy I have conjured up in my head? I don't think so, I think there can be 'responsible hazing'.

PS - I'm not greek (yet), but I plan on pledging when I transfer from CC.

I think you should wait until you are at a university and have a bid in your hand before you try to decide what is right for an organization you will never understand unless you are a part of it.

[*winter*]

Originally Posted by Old_Row

I think you should wait until you are at a university and have a bid in your hand before you try to decide what is right for an organization you will never understand unless you are a part of it.

Word! As for the military comparison: See Above.

Military training is not hazing. It is training people how to act, and react in life or death circumstances. It has to be that damned hard. People in the military bond to each other because they know their lives could depend on each other. You can't recreate that on a college campus. And, finally, no one can sue the military, but people can and have sued the heck out of Greek organizations over hazing. It would bankrupt them.

Sigh. Another "Hazing is a good idea!" "Have you ever been hazed?" "No!" Post