Woefully Ignorant State Legislative Proposals

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by Kevin

To be fair, no one actually tries to enforce those laws. That said, a proposal to get rid of those laws died in committee this year.

I would like to be optimistic and say that they realized that their time was best served elsewhere, and not on worrying about trivial laws, however, that "time better spent" was probably golfing or other nonsense.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

I would like to be optimistic and say that they realized that their time was best served elsewhere, and not on worrying about trivial laws, however, that "time better spent" was probably golfing or other nonsense.

No, the issue was that they were afraid of challenges from the right stating that they had voted to further this mythical separation between church and state which the founders never intended to exist.

You know how every once in a while, you'll hear about some courthouse in the South erecting a monument to the 10 Commandments on their courthouse lawn?

Well, I had a case in Marshall County, Oklahoma (just about half an hour east of I-35 from near the Oklahoma-Texas border). I snapped a photograph of just such a monument on the courthouse lawn. It's apparently been there for some time and either no one in the county wants to challenge it or folks are afraid of what would happen to them if they did.

[AlphaFrog]

I'm a conservative Christian, and these are the kind of people that make me ashamed to admit that. *Sigh*

[adpiucf]

Do well in school, little Timmy, or the government will force you and your family to starve in the cold. Well done, Tennessee. This proposed bill would deduct government assistance from needy families if their kids do poorly in school.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

Do well in school, little Timmy, or the government will force you and your family to starve in the cold. Well done, Tennessee. This proposed bill would deduct government assistance from needy families if their kids do poorly in school.

That Stacey Campfield who sponsored this is a real asshole. He was involved with the whole don't say gay bill embarrassment. This is an effing outrage. Let's starve children and put them on the streets if they're not doing well in school

Hateful, hateful asshole. This just makes me sick.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

That Stacey Campfield who sponsored this is a real asshole. He was involved with the whole don't say gay bill embarrassment. This is an effing outrage. Let's starve children and put them on the streets if they're not doing well in school

Hateful, hateful asshole. This just makes me sick.

The unintended consequence of this bill (or at least one) will be a huge spike in the number of children requiring services from child protective services due to abuse/neglect.

Not to mention the fact that this could put teachers in literal mortal in some cases with angry students/parents.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by Kevin

The unintended consequence of this bill (or at least one) will be a huge spike in the number of children requiring services from child protective services due to abuse/neglect.

Not to mention the fact that this could put teachers in literal mortal in some cases with angry students/parents.

I don't believe this will pass, but I just don't understand what happened to reason, not just in Tennessee, but in all these red states.

In addition to what you've noted, I could see teachers having a moral dilemma giving students bad grades if they know students are on assistance.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by Kevin

The unintended consequence of this bill (or at least one) will be a huge spike in the number of children requiring services from child protective services due to abuse/neglect.

Not to mention the fact that this could put teachers in literal mortal in some cases with angry students/parents.

Why is it that people think that just because they pass a law, it will make the problem go away? In many cases all they'll do by passing the law is make things worse, and more expensive!

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

Do well in school, little Timmy, or the government will force you and your family to starve in the cold. Well done, Tennessee. This proposed bill would deduct government assistance from needy families if their kids do poorly in school.

These types of laws remind me of tesserae from the Hunger Games. Why not just hold a big reaping so these poor souls can fight to the death? Then some politicians can feel satisfied in knowing that they did the public a good service.

[LXA SE285]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

Do well in school, little Timmy, or the government will force you and your family to starve in the cold. Well done, Tennessee. This proposed bill would deduct government assistance from needy families if their kids do poorly in school.

One of the co-sponsors is the same douchebag who introduced that "Don't Say Gay" bill.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Well, I had a case in Marshall County, Oklahoma (just about half an hour east of I-35 from near the Oklahoma-Texas border). I snapped a photograph of just such a monument on the courthouse lawn. It's apparently been there for some time and either no one in the county wants to challenge it or folks are afraid of what would happen to them if they did.

You mean the one at
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jstephe...57623081962152
?

Note, actually stating what the laws are in that manner indicates what Religion or branch of Religion generally created it. For example if "Steal" is #8 and "no other gods" is #1 then you are looking at "Hellenistic Jews, Greek Orthodox and Protestants except Lutherans". The Jews combine the "No other gods" into #2 and have #1 as "I am the Lord your God". The Protestants and Lutherans shift everything by combining the Protestant #1 & #2 into #1 and splitting Coveting into #9 Wife vs. #10 House. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_commandments)

Given that this is in Oklahoma, it makes sense that the Catholics, Lutherans and Jews weren't involved in putting it up.

See http://www.kxii.com/home/headlines/6...html?site=full for the story of why it was erected in 2001.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by naraht

You mean the one at
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jstephe...57623081962152
?

Yes, that exact one. I had a trial out there last Summer and had noticed the thing the first time I was there. I truly tried to be as inconspicuous as possible while snapping a photo of that curiosity. Wouldn't want the locals to think a lawyer from "The City" was cooking anything up. It's a long way back to the highway and I wouldn't want anything to happen to me. It's pretty backwards out there.

Not too far away in Kingston, OK, my grandfather was killed in a bar fight. The Marshall County sheriff tried to pass it off as a natural death despite the cause of death very obviously being blunt force trauma--lots of it. They were unsuccessful in maintaining that position though.. my father happened to be an attorney and was able to get a full autopsy done. No one in Marshall County ever investigated the incident and no witnesses ever came out of the woodwork. It's a different sort of place.

Given that this is in Oklahoma, it makes sense that the Catholics, Lutherans and Jews weren't involved in putting it up.

See http://www.kxii.com/home/headlines/6...html?site=full for the story of why it was erected in 2001.

It's kind of a given that the onus for that came from a person of the Southern Baptist persuasion. There aren't a lot of English speaking Catholics in that neck of the woods.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Yes, that exact one. I had a trial out there last Summer and had noticed the thing the first time I was there. I truly tried to be as inconspicuous as possible while snapping a photo of that curiosity. Wouldn't want the locals to think a lawyer from "The City" was cooking anything up. It's a long way back to the highway and I wouldn't want anything to happen to me. It's pretty backwards out there.

Not too far away in Kingston, OK, my grandfather was killed in a bar fight. The Marshall County sheriff tried to pass it off as a natural death despite the cause of death very obviously being blunt force trauma--lots of it. They were unsuccessful in maintaining that position though.. my father happened to be an attorney and was able to get a full autopsy done. No one in Marshall County ever investigated the incident and no witnesses ever came out of the woodwork. It's a different sort of place.



It's kind of a given that the onus for that came from a person of the Southern Baptist persuasion. There aren't a lot of English speaking Catholics in that neck of the woods.

The scary thing to me is that *anyone* would think of Oklahoma City as a Liberal place, but I guess relatively it is...

And are there any Jews in the county at all?

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by naraht

You mean the one at
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jstephe...57623081962152
?

Note, actually stating what the laws are in that manner indicates what Religion or branch of Religion generally created it. For example if "Steal" is #8 and "no other gods" is #1 then you are looking at "Hellenistic Jews, Greek Orthodox and Protestants except Lutherans". The Jews combine the "No other gods" into #2 and have #1 as "I am the Lord your God". The Protestants and Lutherans shift everything by combining the Protestant #1 & #2 into #1 and splitting Coveting into #9 Wife vs. #10 House. (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_commandments)

Given that this is in Oklahoma, it makes sense that the Catholics, Lutherans and Jews weren't involved in putting it up.

See http://www.kxii.com/home/headlines/6...html?site=full for the story of why it was erected in 2001.

Wow! Never realized there were different 10 Commandments. I grew up Protestant (non denominational, though that's an oxymoron) and the one listed is the one I know. You learn something every day.