Zeta Tau Alpha at Tulane

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by LAblondeGPhi

I don't agree with much of nolagreek's attitude, but I will say that she sounds somewhat knowledgeable about the situation. Hint to nolagreek: play nice and you'll get a better reception.

Did not mean to come across snarky or testy, and if I did, I sincerely say I'm sorry for snarkiness or testiness. Should have used "we" and not "you" in that sentence.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

This is recommended now for campuses using RFM.

Oh, I thought it was once a year after formal recruitment. My mistake.

[gatordeltapgh]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

This is recommended now for campuses using RFM.

I don't want to split hairs with anyone but I wanted to clarify that this is a two-tier total situation that is reserved for deferred recruitment campuses only. It Is not really a nightmare because when a CPH passes the two-tier model they typically stipulate "fall total will be set to X (usually average chapter size) at Y week of school" etc, then we reset again using the NPC recommended methods after formal recruitment.

When it was first discussed at NPC I didn't see the value, but this option is very helpful in achieving parity on a deferred campus.

[amIblue?]

Actually it does make sense at a deferred recruitment campus.

[nolagreek]

Yes, at Tulane total is set twice a year to average chapter size - once after recruitment and once in the fall. The CPC does not vote each time - this is set in their by-laws which are voted on each year - not each semester. It does help to achieve parity but because an average is used about half of the chapters can offer a few COB each semester if they choose to. Sorry if I offended anyone but I thought the actual numbers at Tulane might be interesting to some.

[FSUZeta]

"Schafer said that she thought ZTA seeks to meet Tulane’s sorority average membership of 236 students."

This statement in the article infers that 236 is the average chapter size at Tulane, not the number of members in the largest chapter as nolagreek stated. Anyone know which is correct?

Of course, we have seen some humdingers of mistakes made in student newspapers.

[ADPiEE]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

Here's an article from the school paper

http://www.thehullabaloo.com/news/ar...tml?TNNoMobile

Just an observation...
I don't know how accurate school papers are and I don't know how colonizations work but it says in the article, "Junior ___________, who accepted a ZTA bid on Wednesday, said that the ZTA national office will make a decision about whether to colonize at Tulane by the end of next week."

This tells me that at least the girls were AWARE that NOT colonizing was a possibility?

[faithful.sister]

The latest article from our school's newspaper

http://www.thehullabaloo.com/news/ar...a4bcf6878.html

[WCsweet<3]

I've been reading this thread, but not responding as I know little of the process. What I find interesting is in each of the articles, there seems to be an emphasis that ZTA was not offering bids to every women. For instance from the second article:

said she did not understand why ZTA was cutting women while looking for more members.

Do they really expect a new organization to take every woman who shows up?

[badgeguy]

I have read and followed this thread with interest. It is sad on both ends to me in that both ZTA will not have another chapter added to their rolls yet, and the women at Tulane will have to find other groups to associate with. As someone who loves history I find this topic ironic in that back in the day when all of our groups were being founded, the stories of how early chapters got started usually by just having one or two members going to a school and attracting only a couple (sometimes more) people to start a new chapter.....now it's up to having almost 200?!? Wow.

When I was a founding father of the Kappa Sigma chapter at the University of Cincinnati we only needed 30. That was in 1994.....

Anyway, I hope it all works out for both the sorority and the women....

BG

[adpiucf]

Originally Posted by WCsweet<3

Do they really expect a new organization to take every woman who shows up?

Of course they do. People come to college and have not had the experience of having to compete for a spot unless it was the school play or a sport. The idea of competing for a spot in a club is a new concept to them. So I can't say I blame them for feeling miffed that they expressed interest, were passed over, the organization sought more people, couldn't fill the spots and ultimately decided not to colonize.

I'm not saying theirs is the right mentality, but I can appreciate their frustration. They're saying, "Hey! A bunch of us right here want to do this! We put in the time! We did our research! Don't look for other people after we showed you were interested! Don't leave!" They're going to take it personally.

[adpiucf]

Originally Posted by badgeguy

As someone who loves history I find this topic ironic in that back in the day when all of our groups were being founded, the stories of how early chapters got started usually by just having one or two members going to a school and attracting only a couple (sometimes more) people to start a new chapter.....now it's up to having almost 200?!? Wow.

When I was a founding father of the Kappa Sigma chapter at the University of Cincinnati we only needed 30. That was in 1994.....

Anyway, I hope it all works out for both the sorority and the women....

BG

Good points, but remember that when the founders developed their organizations they were starting from scratch and didn't have to stay competitive with other groups or be held to a set of rules attached to a conference. And a fraternity colonization is very different from a sorority colonization. Not to mention that the numbers needed at one school vary greatly to another. The idea here was to develop a ZTA colony that would be competitive with the other sororities and would become a chapter that would thrive. That required a number of women roughly equivalent to the existing chapters and also women who met the high academic standards for ZTA and Tulane Greek Life. It's unfortunate that they could not recruit enough qualified candidates to make this work.

[amIblue?]

But how many of these same women went through formal recruitment? That's competing for spots.

[WCsweet<3]

Originally Posted by adpiucf

Of course they do. People come to college and have not had the experience of having to compete for a spot unless it was the school play or a sport. The idea of competing for a spot in a club is a new concept. So I can't say I blame them for feeling miffed that they expressed interest, were passed over, the organization sought more people, couldn't fill the spots and ultimately decided not to colonize.

I'm not saying theirs is the right mentality, but I can appreciate their frustration. They're saying, "Hey! A bunch of us right here want to do this! We put in the time! We did our research! Don't look for other people after we showed you were interested! Don't leave!" They're going to take it personally.

You are right. I'm struggling to understand that they don't see how accepting everyone as a bad idea. My high school was big on the entire "everyone who tries gets a position" idea, but I still knew that there were certain criteria that had to be met for membership in most situations. The article also mentioned the low GPA of the PNMs. Wonder how many went through formal and were cut due to grades.

Their frustration is completely understandable.

Question for those who know more about this: Is there a set time limit for colonization? Could they have recruited for longer say into next Fall? Not saying they should have done so, just curious to know more about the process.

[adpiucf]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

But how many of these same women went through formal recruitment? That's competing for spots.

Absolutely true and I have no idea... But I imagine that the ones who went through formal recruitment aren't the ones complaining in this article. And even formal recruitment is the first time someone competes for a spot in a club.

Most of the founding sisters I know in real life never went through formal recruitment. They were plucked from campus activities and leadership positions.