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Admittedly, this didn't come from the ASA, but rather some apparent pamphleteer.
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Right, so it doesn't support what you keep saying about how the ASA is making itself look dumb. (And it is hardly specific about the action desired.) So, that quote isn't evidence of your allegations.
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I did a little reading about the water buffalo incident at Duke. If you don't recall, I linked a wiki article above Apparently being racially insensitive is a very serious student conduct violation.
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Read more carefully next time. The water buffalo incident was at Penn, not Duke. So again, no evidence of your allegations.
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There were also lawsuits based on retaliatory behavior by faculty against members of the LaCrosse team following that whole boondoggle.
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I'm very familiar with the Duke Lacrosse fiasco. It started when criminal charges (rape) were brought against the players by the DA. Comparing this incident to the lacrosse case is comparing apples to pumpkins. Citing it would only be relevant if faculty took similar actions against Eta Prime. Any evidence that ASA is advocating that? I sure haven't seen any.
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Asking for "serious things" to happen doesn't require a lot of speculation to lead one to think they are suggesting the University seriously sanction anyone deemed to have offended someone else.
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Context Kevin, context. The statement is that they want serious things to be done by the
student body and the University because things like this keep happening. Given that a student body has no power to discipline, and given the other quotes and statements calling for conversation and changes in attitude and understanding, it takes less speculation to read the "serious things" statements as a call for conversations that will change campus culture than it does to read them as calls for University sanctions.
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And here's a quote from the rally of several hundred people (not an overreaction?)
She may feel that way, but that's certainly not anyone but her fault. If that's how she wants to interpret and internalize some grown men and women dressing in adult diapers and bathrobes, that's fine.
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Again, statements of one person =/= statements of an organization, and 700 students at a rally =/= do not equal actions of an organization that didn't plan or sponsor the rally. And while we're at it, one rally =/= "day after day" of protest.
(And to set the record straight, the only demand that I saw in the Chronicle report where anyone said an organization should be disbanded was where a freshman said the ASA should be disbanded.)
Good grief Kevin. If you want to think there's overreacting going on, fine. Certainly one can discuss whether other means of protest might have been more effective or appeared more (or less) reasonable. And we get that you want to characterize this as just college kids playing dress up, even though the reports, including the statement of the president of Eta Prime, all indicate that there is more to it than that.
But your efforts to castigate those who are offended by lumping them all together (as "the ASA") and accusing them of overreacting based on nothing more than your own assumptions and biases is transparently feckless. And frankly, your pronouncement that no one has any reason to be offended to begin with just comes off as jackassism.
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