Need some help here

[ΣKΞFounder]

It was not the school, it was an IFC member at a meeting. And this fraternity is for promoting Greek life and academics. If a member joins us and their GPA is not in the Nationals standards we still take them, if later on after we've helped them improved we have no problem with them wanting to join another group. This being said, we'd hope members would be loyal and not want to co-join. But, we don't want to stop them from joining a National either if they decided later on that they wanted to.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by ΣKΞFounder

It was not the school, it was an IFC member at a meeting.

You need to figure out exactly what's going on. Based on your other posts (and on your FB page), you're in the process now of being approved by the school, or have just gotten approval. Is the IFC member speaking on behalf of the school? On behalf of IFC? Saying what he thinks ought to happen? Just confused?

Speaking of confusion:

And this fraternity is for promoting Greek life and academics. If a member joins us and their GPA is not in the Nationals standards we still take them, if later on after we've helped them improved we have no problem with them wanting to join another group.

I'm a little confused. This sounds like you see yourself as something other than a social GLO, but in your earlier posts, you said:

Originally Posted by ΣKΞFounder

I am one of the founders of Sigma Kappa Xi. We are a brand new local fraternity here at Hanover College . . . . Why did I and a few other people create a local? Well, long story short we did not find a sorority here that we fit into, so we created one for everyone in our situation! After talking with Greek life and chatting with several fellow students it was also determined that we should be the first ever co-ed here at Hanover! Needless to say we are very excited and are looking forward to becoming the newest Greek member at Hanover.

Originally Posted by ΣKΞFounder

. . . I do assure you that I have been in close works with Greek life and with the student body here, and from the numbers we already have along with the support of Greek life, our winter rush is looking better than the four nationals sororities and five national fraternities here on campus Well we'll be close in rush numbers with Sigma Chi from the looks of it at the moment. But I have nothing against any of the chapters here, just did not feel like I belonged in any of them. And I discovered other people felt the same way, so we got together and hatched this idea to start a local.

It sounds to me like you are founding a social, co-ed fraternity that will compete with (in terms of rush) the IFC fraternities on your campus and seek to be viewed as comperable. Under those circumstances, it seems to me to be quite reasonable to think you should belong to the IFC.

Granted, IFCs are typically mostly made up of fraterniities that belong to the NIC, but that is not always the case. One of the national fraternities on your campus (and in its IFC) is not a member of the NIC or, so far as I know, of any other umbrella conference. My fraternity is not a member of the NIC but is part of the IFC on many campuses.

Nor is the co-ed aspect necessarily determinative. There are (NIC) fraternities that allow their chapters to be co-ed, and so far as I know, those chapters are usually if not always IFC members.

Just based on your posts, it sounds like maybe you need to be clear (in your own minds and with your Greek Life office) about exactly what kind of organization you'll be and how you'll fit in with the rest of the campus, and talk with your GL office about what that means IFC-wise.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Nor is the co-ed aspect necessarily determinative. There are (NIC) fraternities that allow their chapters to be co-ed, and so far as I know, those chapters are usually if not always IFC

We actually have a chapter that makes a point of always trying to elect a woman for IFC representative.

[ΣKΞFounder]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

You need to figure out exactly what's going on. Based on your other posts (and on your FB page), you're in the process now of being approved by the school, or have just gotten approval. Is the IFC member speaking on behalf of the school? On behalf of IFC? Saying what he thinks ought to happen? Just confused?

Speaking of confusion:

I'm a little confused. This sounds like you see yourself as something other than a social GLO, but in your earlier posts, you said:

It sounds to me like you are founding a social, co-ed fraternity that will compete with (in terms of rush) the IFC fraternities on your campus and seek to be viewed as comperable. Under those circumstances, it seems to me to be quite reasonable to think you should belong to the IFC.

Granted, IFCs are typically mostly made up of fraterniities that belong to the NIC, but that is not always the case. One of the national fraternities on your campus (and in its IFC) is not a member of the NIC or, so far as I know, of any other umbrella conference. My fraternity is not a member of the NIC but is part of the IFC on many campuses.

Nor is the co-ed aspect necessarily determinative. There are (NIC) fraternities that allow their chapters to be co-ed, and so far as I know, those chapters are usually if not always IFC members.

Just based on your posts, it sounds like maybe you need to be clear (in your own minds and with your Greek Life office) about exactly what kind of organization you'll be and how you'll fit in with the rest of the campus, and talk with your GL office about what that means IFC-wise.

Well we at first were having no problems out of the school/other Greeks....but then we had a change in Greek life and things went down hill. So, we basically said we were no longer interested in being affiliated with the college and are instead pursuing recognition through the town. We are basically just waiting for our Inc. papers now so we can turn them in with our request.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by ΣKΞFounder

Well we at first were having no problems out of the school/other Greeks....but then we had a change in Greek life and things went down hill. So, we basically said we were no longer interested in being affiliated with the college and are instead pursuing recognition through the town. We are basically just waiting for our Inc. papers now so we can turn them in with our request.

Wait, what? You're seeking recognition from the town? Why? And why would a town recognize a fraternity?

[ΣKΞFounder]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Wait, what? You're seeking recognition from the town? Why? And why would a town recognize a fraternity?

Towns and cities recognize Greeks as long as they are helping the town/city I have one in my home town as a matter of fact that is full of wonderful people who give out scholarships every year to the high schools in the area. Sometimes, life throws you lemons and you make lemonade. This is just with Alpha chapter, no other chapter. Beta Chapter is recognized and accepted without changes to our constitution as will the Gamma Colony if it is opened up. It has been decided that from this point on, only new chapters that the core of our constitution is not changed will be able to open. Here, we already have members and people wanting to join. So since we are not affiliated with the college, we need a place to go for meetings and so we can recruit. It is the only way for the Alphas now. But, if one day the college decides to not force the changing of our core values, then yes, we would be glad to be affiliated at the college.