Is a "Pimps and Ho's Party" disrepectful???

[kd_girl96]

I don't think it's disrespectful, however.... after reading the newspaper article about the "pimps and ho's" party at... Nebraska I think... somethings have been carried too far.. Something that seems fine to you or me today, can be "turned up a notch" year after year untill it does go too far and someone gets hurt... or worse..... killed.

Just think about what you do today.... and imagine what it could turn into in 5 or even 10 years.

Em

[ROWDYsister]

Originally posted by kd_girl96
I don't think it's disrespectful, however.... after reading the newspaper article about the "pimps and ho's" party at... Nebraska I think... somethings have been carried too far.. Something that seems fine to you or me today, can be "turned up a notch" year after year untill it does go too far and someone gets hurt... or worse..... killed.

Just think about what you do today.... and imagine what it could turn into in 5 or even 10 years.

Em

Whoa, what happened?

[kd_girl96]

I don't remember the article well enough to quote it exactly... but recenly at our National Leadership Confrence The Speaker on hazing showed us slides of about 20 diffrent incidents. One was the pimps and ho's party...... There were other examples of events gone bad, there was one story of a girl getting raped... another of a guy (who was forced to drink) fell off a balcony and is now a Quadraplegic.

I am all for people having fun.. but you want to make sure EVERYONE is having fun... willingly.... and respectfully.

Em

[nyrdrms]

In my opinion, a pimp and ho party can be respectful, it all depends on the behavior of the two organizations participating. Just because you're dressed that way, doesn't mean you have to act like it!

[FHwku]

Originally posted by nyrdrms
In my opinion, a pimp and ho party can be respectful, it all depends on the behavior of the two organizations participating. Just because you're dressed that way, doesn't mean you have to act like it!

true that. you're supposed to dress up like pimps and hos, not act like 'em.

I ran into an older ADPi who told me that we'd had a "White Trash Bash" with them a 2 years ago. She said it was a blast.

I don't think either theme becomes grossly offensive until people start acting the part. just like a pirate themed party would be fun and games...until some scurvy landlover is forced to walk the plank. arrrrr.

[DGPhoney]

Well I see nothing wrong with a Pimp's and Ho parties. LIke someone mentioned, who says it has to be the girl who is the ho and the guy who is the pimp. I mean really anyone can be a Pimp and a ho regardless of sex.
As for a Pimp and Ho party being racisis. Hmm, I am a little lost, cause really like I said before any one race can have ho's and pimps. True some people take the party to the stereotypical view which is where things go wrong. But till then I see nothing wrong with the theme, It's fun and harmless. all fun and games folks
as always just my two cents
DGP~Honey~

[allgreek2me]

When I was in college we had everything from a "Ghetto" (aka Friday) themed party to "Country Club" (aka Caddyshack) to the Dukes of Hazard where half the girls wore Daisy Dukes. Looking back I can see how they weren't the most PC events to put on and while I am not trying to justify it with the media, but nothing we participated in was in blatant direspect of a particular culture. Everyone has a different viewpoint on things.

For example, while I was in school a particular "socially conscious" group was up in arms about the Kappa Sigs Independence Party. At UT, the Kappa Sigs put on a Texas Independence party every March to celebrate....Texas' Independence from Mexico. Only instead of being Texans, they're Mexicans. They hang up Mexican flags outside of their house, serve 'Ritas & Fajitas the day before the big party and all of the pledges were sombreros. Are they making fun of the Mexican culture? Hardly! In the sixties & seventies, the Kappa Sig house used to be directly across from the UT Tower. Every year for Texas Independence the Texas Cowboys would fire up 'Ol Smokey (the cannon) in the direction of the Kappa Sig house. Tradition says that one year the Kappa Sigs came out of the house and windows with white flags to get the Cowboys to stop firing the cannon - surrendering (like the Mexicans did to the Texans)....only these guys wanted to go back to sleep and stop firing the cannon!

While this party may be an exception to the PC etiquette, I do believe some Political Correctness has gotten out of hand. A good rule of thumb is if you don't want to see your event in the press or embarass your mother, you probably shouldn't be doing it.

[prophet]

Who are we suppose to be disrespecting dressing like a pimp and a ho? Not my people, because my people aren't into that life style. Now, if your's are into that life and you get hurt becuase we make fun and have fun at those that participate in that shit for real money making purpose, that's your hate and not mine. We do it for fun, nobody gets hurt, and it is totaly wrong to put this kind of fun in the same catogory as the Auburn delta sigs and betas party. They did it out of racist hatred towards blacks. We do it for fun and if a pimp and ho dislike this, email me pleaseeee. If a girl does not like this, why? Are you a ho in disguise? Who said it was only a girl who dresses like a ho? Shit, next party I was gonna dress like the ho and have my girl dress as a madame(lady pimp 4 y'all not to familiar wit the game ) It is just another party with another party theme. Like any other party you do it to have fun, but atleast we are not targeting a class and making fun. What about Doctor/Nurse parties? What is the difference? People come showing skin and play their role till the end of the party. If you have a real problem with this type of party, people you should not of joined a SOCIAL org. Maybe you shouldn't even join a community ser. and honor soc. because I heard they have some crazy parties. J/k if you have a problem just don't go, but I'll bet....you'll miss out on some FUN. To many real things to worry about.
-Heath
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[Optimist Prime]

Originally posted by FHwku


I don't think either theme becomes grossly offensive until people start acting the part. just like a pirate themed party would be fun and games...until some scurvy landlover is forced to walk the plank. arrrrr.

that is the funniest thing i've heard all day

[sigtau305]

Originally posted by phikappapsiman
First off, I don't need "proof" to have an opinion. But since SOME of you seem to think that by showing repect to others who may be offended by such an event is a sign of conservatism, and not respect, I will try to explain my point of view.

How is a "pimps and hos party" racist? Well, I can ONLY SPEAK FOR ME, as to how I can see it as being racist. As an African-American male, I do not find that portraying a Pimp is anything that I consider either entertaining or fun. To me, and JUST TO ME, the racial connotations that go with being a pimp are not any that I see as positive. Maybe other ethnic groups see it as no big deal, but that is one sterotype that I don't need to enact. I have yet to see a Pimp portrayed in the media or in Hollywood as anything but an African-American male without any redeeming qualities, so yes, I do find it disrespectful, racist, and not needed. Who knows? Maybe there are White pimps, Asian pimps, Hispanic pimps, whatever out there, but I have yet to see one (except for Heidi Fleiss, and I guess you couldn't really call her a pimp). Am I being oversensitive? Perhaps. But it is not a matter of being politically correct-it's a matter of pride and self-respect. As for ho's- I wouldn't want my wife or girlfriend or daughter or sister dressing like a ho at any time. Again, this is just my opinion...If others feel that their organization should do it, and nothing is wrong with it- fine, that is their choice. I only hope that if other individuals or groups on their campus found out about it, that person or group would at least have the courage to call them on it to have them explain how such an event reflects positively upon greek life.

I have to agree with him. If we have that type of party at my school, The Department of Student Life would have a fit. I don't mind having fun as well as the next guy, but let's be honest, having this type of event would cause nothing but a major headache. I'm also a African-American and I'm not too keen on the idea of a Pimps and Ho's party. I'm for any other theme parties except this one.

[axotiger]

All I can say is WOW. I never thought that people felt so strongly on that subject. First of all, as for the racist part... I'm not following, and I won't even try...
Now that that's out of the way. A Pimp and Ho theme came out last year at one of our chapters, but it was somehow put on the back burner and we did something else.
Personally, I think those parties are fun. I went to a rugby Pimps and hos party last year, I had a blast. I mean honestly, girls... what do you normally wear to go out to parties? Short skirts? Tight Black pants? Sparkles? (maybe not fishnets... granted) but still... when I went to that party last year, I wore a little skirt and a halter top... not MUCH different than what girls usually wear to go out. And we don't mean to offend anyone when we go to these parties... it's just a reason to go out, dress up, have fun, and drink (sometimes).
People these days are WAY too sensitive, if you ask me. (yes, I'm probably going to get some hateful messages cause of that comment).

And for you people who are completely against this... what are your feelings on Catholic School Girl and Dirty Old Men Mixer ? Cause, that was a blast... but aren't we then offending old men EVERYWHERE, and what about those poor little catholic school girls...

[greekalumna]

Something to consider before throwing a "Pimps and Ho's" Party is that such a party could be seen as celebrating a system in which women are frequently verbally, physically, and sexually abused in addition to being financially exploited by their pimps. I doubt that anyone sets out to throw a party thinking, "Hmm.. let's see what party we can throw that would celebrate a relationship that is violent towards women" but the truth is that many sex workers do experience much suffering at the hands of pimps. As members of organizations celebrating sisterhood, we really should be cognizant of the issues that affect all women (including those who don't meet the ideals of our organizations) and try to avoid themes that degrade our gender.
I'm realizing that all this makes me sound like a stuffy old woman (I am turning 27 next month) but it is something to think about. I'm sure that there are many other creative theme events that could be held instead. If nothing else, hold a "Sleazy Seventies" party, many of the same outfits could be worn!
Edited to add that I seen "Trailer Trash" socials mentioned in a few threads around here. I'd caution anyone considering throwing such a social could lend some fire to critics of your school's greek system's arguments that greek organizations are snobby. While such a party may be thrown in the spirit of good fun, it could be seen by those who weren't involved (i.e., students who just see the t-shirts around campus) as another example of the greek system making fun of those who come from a lower economic level. Again, I may be being old here, but it just seems like there are plenty of other social themes to choose from that aren't demeaning to others and that won't add to the old stereotypes about Greek life.

[Optimist Prime]

Good post greekalumna. Why not have a reverse party, like the girls come in just whatever clothes they happen to find last minute, and guys all wear matching t-shirts that took 3 hours of commitee time to decide on.

[stmuprncez]

I don't thinkthat it's disrespectful because you aren't forcing anyone to go or dress in any particular way. If a girl wants to dress really sexy and go along with the theme that's great for her but if she would rather calm it down that should be cool too. I think it's a funny idea and I just think no one should take the words too seriously. Also about the words yeah it's a bit harsh but like you also need to see there are a lot of other racist ideas such as a white trash party or people can even think a Luau is kinda racist. It's bad when people take things so seriously and take the fun out of things by making them controversial.

[enlightenment06]

I don't think it's a good idea. Not the proper example to set for greek life