Have Mixer Themes Gone Too Far??

[33girl]

Originally Posted by LadyLonghorn

I don't think posting something from TFM is very appropriate.

I agree, and not because of any copyright issue, but because it's not any sort of a credible source.

I have no idea what this Burnt Orange Report is. I think they kind of miss the point right from the jump by feeling that they have to state that 20% of the student body is Hispanic.

[LadyLonghorn]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Wait, isn't the original source the student paper? People post things from student papers all of the time. I posted the one about Saban that involved my own group.

No, the original report was from the Burnt Orange Report which is an independent political blog with a historically anti-Greek perspective.

Originally Posted by 33girl

I agree, and not because of any copyright issue, but because it's not any sort of a credible source.

That's what I am getting at. Neither of these are news sources. They are opinion pieces, although obviously from different perspectives.

I was also under the impression that it was Greekchat policy not to quote entire articles from any source due to copyright issues.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by LadyLonghorn

I was also under the impression that it was Greekchat policy not to quote entire articles from any source due to copyright issues.

I thought it was fine as long as the poster also includes the link (source) from which it came.

But I could be wrong..

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

I thought it was fine as long as the poster also includes the link (source) from which it came.

But I could be wrong..

No, you can't post the whole article but I think we can make an exception for that TFM post since it's the most interesting thing currently in this thread.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by LadyLonghorn

No, the original report was from the Burnt Orange Report which is an independent political blog with a historically anti-Greek perspective.



That's what I am getting at. Neither of these are news sources. They are opinion pieces, although obviously from different perspectives.

I was also under the impression that it was Greekchat policy not to quote entire articles from any source due to copyright issues.

Sorry, I meant the second one, that said "The Daily Texan" at the top, but I guess TFM just took a short quote from TDT.

And yes, full articles are frowned upon here.

[pinapple]

I think most people on these boards know I am a huge supporter of the Greek Community at UT. I consider myself to VERY panhellenic, and I also consider myself to be reasonable. Just because those above statements are true, does not mean it is okay to sweep under the rug a major issue on campus right now that pertains to all Greeks. It does not matter if I am or not a part of either group. Certainly if everyone steps back you have to realize that harm was done. Both of these houses have women of hispanic heritage as well as actives and as new members. (very few...but they exist) How do you think they feel in this situation? And when it first went down, instead of doing immediate damage control, they played the "no comment card" which only put fuel on the fire. The apology came out late last night but for the people they offended, it came out of pressure, not because it was the right thing to do.

Behavior like this only fuels the stereotypes of the Greek community. Stereotypes that are fought against every single day. As far as the "callout" of the specific groups, I didn't call them out, the media called them out and frankly the behavior is what got them in the hot water, not me personally. And although this started in the Burnt Orange Report, the Daily Texan has run multiple reports on this and a local news station picked it up yesterday.


http://dailytexanonline.com/news/201...aises-concerns

http://dailytexanonline.com/news/201...ccused-of-bias


http://dailytexanonline.com/news/201...-out-apologies

Just to add...there are people on this campus that work very hard to make the relationship between the University and the Greek community a positive one. This work is literally exposed into rubble when things like this occur. This is what I have a problem with.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by pinapple

Both of these houses have women of hispanic heritage as well as actives and as new members. (very few...but they exist)

Once again...pointing this out completely misses the point.

[FSUZeta]

Originally Posted by pinapple

I think most people on these boards know I am a huge supporter of the Greek Community at UT. I consider myself to VERY panhellenic, and I also consider myself to be reasonable. Just because those above statements are true, does not mean it is okay to sweep under the rug a major issue on campus right now that pertains to all Greeks. It does not matter if I am or not a part of either group. Certainly if everyone steps back you have to realize that harm was done. Both of these houses have women of hispanic heritage as well as actives and as new members. (very few...but they exist) How do you think they feel in this situation? And when it first went down, instead of doing immediate damage control, they played the "no comment card" which only put fuel on the fire. The apology came out late last night but for the people they offended, it came out of pressure, not because it was the right thing to do.

Behavior like this only fuels the stereotypes of the Greek community. Stereotypes that are fought against every single day. As far as the "callout" of the specific groups, I didn't call them out, the media called them out and frankly the behavior is what got them in the hot water, not me personally. And although this started in the Burnt Orange Report, the Daily Texan has run multiple reports on this and a local news station picked it up yesterday.


http://dailytexanonline.com/news/201...aises-concerns

http://dailytexanonline.com/news/201...ccused-of-bias


http://dailytexanonline.com/news/201...-out-apologies

Just to add...there are people on this campus that work very hard to make the relationship between the University and the Greek community a positive one. This work is literally exposed into rubble when things like this occur. This is what I have a problem with.

Damage control was probably being done on the national level, and until the national officers of the sororities determined the appropriate course of action, the collegiate members were most likely told to avoid speaking with the media or issuing any statements whatsoever.

[James]

The media shapes the story. Stories like this are fun in a sense. You can generate outrage but no one really got hurt.

In the grand scheme of things this is not serious. Compare it to something real: Rape, Murder, War or even a mugging.

General civil rights violations would still be serious. This isnt the same.

But compared to that this is like Chilis having a cinco de mayo party and people showing up with the same costumes. Its human interest not a real story.

My personal experience is that most people dont care. The people that do care are usually either politically motivated or have some bad experience that makes it emotional for them.

In which case take a mental deep breath. Making a non issue into a serious issue just for something to talk about is . .. well . .. silly.

[Gusteau]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

No, you can't post the whole article but I think we can make an exception for that TFM post since it's the most interesting thing currently in this thread.

Hey now! The use of schadenfreude added all kinds of win.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by James

In which case take a mental deep breath. Making a non issue into a serious issue just for something to talk about is . .. well . .. silly.

I'll say something I don't often say. I agree with the TFM commentator. If these groups are so upset, throw a white people cheese and Franzia party. Dress up in cardigans and skinny jeans. Maybe jorts.

Sure, I'll always counsel my own groups to avoid parties which might offend someone even if I think that person being offended is ridiculous. I do it because it's simply not worth the effort of having to engage in defensive PR when some group writes a letter to the editor or something.

[gee_ess]

I have to admit, I liked the TFM article. I am so OVER the PC police. The author was funny and poked fun at the oversensitivity of our society. Bottom line: This was a private party. You can dress up, tell offensive jokes, whatever you want, at a private event. True, the members went out in public in their costumes, but are we not allowed to dress as we please in America?

I think the members(and advisors) should always try to be aware of how they represent their letters, but no one was trying to offend the Hispanic community. They were being stupid college kids. Period. No apology necessary IMO.

I hope they do have the Franzia and cheese party! Too funny!

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by gee_ess

I have to admit, I liked the TFM article. I am so OVER the PC police. The author was funny and poked fun at the oversensitivity of our society. Bottom line: This was a private party. You can dress up, tell offensive jokes, whatever you want, at a private event. True, the members went out in public in their costumes, but are we not allowed to dress as we please in America?

Yes, you are allowed, and then you face the consequences that come with your choices.

[33girl]

Once again...SMH at the concept of people taking pictures at mixers to begin with, and then putting them online on top of it. I have VERY few mixer pictures. This is not because they were all lost over lo these many years or because my camera was too big to carry.

But then again, this is the generation whose parents see every life event through a video camera lens rather than just watching it and keeping the memory in their mind, so I guess I shouldn't be puzzled.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Once again...SMH at the concept of people taking pictures at mixers to begin with, and then putting them online on top of it. I have VERY few mixer pictures. This is not because they were all lost over lo these many years or because my camera was too big to carry.

This is interesting. We had official photogs at virtually every event. I think the difference was that shit didn't get put online.