RFM Question

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Right, right, "women who are somewhere on the flex list" is pretty much what I'm thinking. I would think that, if a woman was dropped everywhere, you'd first check the flex list for the weakest recruiting chapter, and go up from there. That way, you are benefiting a PNM and the WRC, and it's really not at the expense of other PNM's or other chapters.

One of the reasons I think this is important is that I was pretty surprised to learn that there are campuses where everyone is over both total and quota after FR. It's great that (assuming total is set correctly) all the chapters are doing well, but that means a woman who doesn't receive a bid through FR has no recourse.

Again, I totally understand that there are women who sign up who do not meet the membership requirements of any chapter, and I know that very few are dropped entirely once they've made it past the grade cuts, but there are a handful.

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Right, right, "women who are somewhere on the flex list" is pretty much what I'm thinking. I would think that, if a woman was dropped everywhere, you'd first check the flex list for the weakest recruiting chapter, and go up from there. That way, you are benefiting a PNM and the WRC, and it's really not at the expense of other PNM's or other chapters.

One of the reasons I think this is important is that I was pretty surprised to learn that there are campuses where everyone is over both total and quota after FR. It's great that (assuming total is set correctly) all the chapters are doing well, but that means a woman who doesn't receive a bid through FR has no recourse.

Again, I totally understand that there are women who sign up who do not meet the membership requirements of any chapter, and I know that very few are dropped entirely once they've made it past the grade cuts, but there are a handful.

I thought that one of the suggestions of RFM is that soon after FR, total be reset at average chapter size. If this suggestion were followed, some chapters would be below total and a PNM may have options. Of course, not every campus does this.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

I thought that one of the suggestions of RFM is that soon after FR, total be reset at average chapter size. If this suggestion were followed, some chapters would be below total and a PNM may have options. Of course, not every campus does this.

Oh, that's a good point. I forgot about that. How long does that take, though?

[MaryPoppins]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Oh, that's a good point. I forgot about that. How long does that take, though?

Whenever PH decides to get around to it.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by MaryPoppins

Whenever PH decides to get around to it.

Yeah, that's my thought: that they miss the window of opportunity, as opposed to just grabbing someone on bid day.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by MaryPoppins

Whenever PH decides to get around to it.

Yeah, and while I do agree it should be updated fairly often (every 3-4 years seems right to me, unless there is something that is going to stick around that made the school/system get huge overnight), I think doing it after every rush can be too much of a knee jerk reaction.

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Yeah, and while I do agree it should be updated fairly often (every 3-4 years seems right to me, unless there is something that is going to stick around that made the school/system get huge overnight), I think doing it after every rush can be too much of a knee jerk reaction.

I think at big recruitment campuses, every 3-4 years would be too infrequent. I have noticed changes in campus total of 20 or more at some of these schools in 1-2 years time. With a lot of chapters, that can add up to a lot of spots that could be filled via COB. It also can mean smaller groups are doomed because they can't COB up to average chapter size because total is too low. Plus, how hard is it to adjust total? Calculate average chapter size, vote on it, and let the groups under start COBing.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Yeah, and while I do agree it should be updated fairly often (every 3-4 years seems right to me, unless there is something that is going to stick around that made the school/system get huge overnight), I think doing it after every rush can be too much of a knee jerk reaction.

But it also works the other way, if adjusted annually. I know I have both been frustrated hearing of campuses that don't adjust their Total down when necessary. I've worked with chapters whose Chapter Total was set at 45 but the average chapter size was 21. They were afraid to lower it in case one chapter had a great year and would be unable to grow more but it led to a lot of dirty rushing and "if you drop, we'll pick you up as a COB" types of issues. If they know it will be evaluated annually, there's a lot less of that too.