School with Lowest Percentage accepted?

[Greek_or_Geek?]

Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap

You could get a Pi Phi in the family at Indiana...just sayin'.

Any of the 20 chapters involved could make a difference, but it would take a monumental effort to promote any sort of change there.

Isn't part of the allure based on how "exclusive" the club is? Do you think there would be as much desire to join if there were spaces for all (provided there was adequate housing otherwise available?)

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek?

Isn't part of the allure based on how "exclusive" the club is? Do you think there would be as much desire to join if there were spaces for all (provided there was adequate housing otherwise available?)

Yes, to an extent. Each chapter could still add 5 women to their bid lists and place 100 more women overall. Just adding 5 spots would increase the percentage placed by 5%. It would place more women and still have the chapter size the chapters seem to want. The bed quota just makes it odd because the chapters range in size so drastically. Just making a campus total would make the situation better, in my opinion. Even with a uniform total, there would still be stronger and weaker chapters, and I think that it is/was IU thrives on unfortunately. (The previous statement is personal opinion and based on past experience and college women I talk to when on campus in the fall.) I don't think the chapters at IU want to be at 300, which they would be if the placement rate was average. I don't think I would have liked a chapter that large, but who knows? If that's all I knew, I guess it wouldn't make a difference.

[irishpipes]

Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek?

Isn't part of the allure based on how "exclusive" the club is? Do you think there would be as much desire to join if there were spaces for all (provided there was adequate housing otherwise available?)

If IU moved away from bed rush and used the same system everyone else does, it wouldn't eliminate exclusivity. Except at Tufts, there is no guarantee of a "space for all." A PNM can always be dropped from recruitment entirely. And, the desirable chapters still won't take "just anybody." Even at schools where there is guaranteed placement for PNMs who maximize their options, there are tiers. So, exclusivity is still there, but it is within the system. In other words, the elitism isn't so much in just being greek, but in belonging to a certain chapter.

[33girl]

This is pretty much the same argument that went around when there were nationwide attempts by NPC to "defrill" rush. We all know how that worked. No one wants to be the first to get rid of the balloons and skits. This was almost 20 years ago, and there are still plenty of frills out there.

The only way IU will change is if the school's administration forces it. Students do not want something other than what they know, alumnae don't want it to change, and no NPC will tell its group to be first to say "hey, screw this silly bed rush crap." The school's administration is not going to force it, because from what everyone's said, they think the Greek system is too big as it is. The last thing they want is for it to double in size. Although if the elitism is eliminated to some degree, it might actually make the Greek system less powerful (if that makes sense).

[Greek_or_Geek?]

Originally Posted by irishpipes

If IU moved away from bed rush and used the same system everyone else does, it wouldn't eliminate exclusivity. Except at Tufts, there is no guarantee of a "space for all." A PNM can always be dropped from recruitment entirely. And, the desirable chapters still won't take "just anybody." Even at schools where there is guaranteed placement for PNMs who maximize their options, there are tiers. So, exclusivity is still there, but it is within the system. In other words, the elitism isn't so much in just being greek, but in belonging to a certain chapter.

Of course I understand that. What I'm really wondering is if Greek life would have as much appeal if there weren't so many going bidless. Seems like there's a certain cachet to having survived the process and although we know there are women who don't get bids at other schools, it's certainly a much much lower percentage.