School with Lowest Percentage accepted?

[barbino]

Originally Posted by AXOrushadvisor

No. With so many out of state schools with a good program she wants to major in why would I support her going to school with such a rigid quota system. The beauty of going to college in the US is there are thousands of schools to choose from and many that have her major. I choose to put her somewhere that not only allows her to grow and thrive personally, but also prepares her for a career that she can be successful in. Part of that is her desire to join a GLO and I want to give her the best shot of that. In my opinion, IU does not provide that opportunity.

By the way here are my daughters criteria for looking at schools. I don't necessarily agree with them.

1. Good football program
2. Good basketball program
3. Good Greek system

She is 17. I didn't necessarily have different ideas as a 17 year old. The sorority I initially wanted to join at my university I picked because they had the prettiest house. Go figure!~

In my case, being able to continue to ride horses at the school that I was attending was #1. So I went to the University of Kentucky. I did not know anything about the basketball program; and had to learn about that while I was there.

[AXOmom]

To go along with the question above - When you say housing is limited do you mean dorms or do you mean there aren't many rental houses/apartment complexes available around the school or both?

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by AXOmom

To go along with the question above - When you say housing is limited do you mean dorms or do you mean there aren't many rental houses/apartment complexes available around the school or both?

I would guess that there is a lack of dorm space which leads to a lack of rentals.

[DarlingTexan]

Wait, so all the greek girls at IU live in house? For all four years?

[naraht]

Originally Posted by DarlingTexan

Wait, so all the greek girls at IU live in house? For all four years?

The pledges live in the house during the pledge period?

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Where do non-Greeks generally live?

Indiana has quite a lot of dorm space. The university has been in the process of renovating the dorms, creating different types of living experiences. There are lot of apartments and rental houses in Bloomington. There is definitely not a shortage of housing. Off campus housing is available at all price points.

Originally Posted by DarlingTexan

Wait, so all the greek girls at IU live in house? For all four years?

For the most part, yes. Just a few chapters have live out policies, last I heard 7 chapters such policies. If the seniors who wanted to live out were allowed to, each chapter could take at least 30 more women.

No, IU has deferred recruitment in January. New members do not move in until the following fall.

[AXOmom]

^^^In that case what does IUHoosiergirl88 mean when she says girls would hate that because housing is so limited?

I understand girls wanting to live in. My daughter definately felt it helped her bond with her chpapter even for the two quarters she lived in and she feels like its definately beneficial for a pledge class to live together for a year, maybe even two, but I think if they'd had to do it for four - the town's domestic violence rate would have spiked significantly....along with the homicide rate.

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by AXOmom

^^^In that case what does IUHoosiergirl88 mean when she says girls would hate that because housing is so limited?

I'll let her clarify, but I do know there is a lot of campus housing available. The last alumni magazine I received in the mail had a big feature story on the dorm renovations and how more students are staying in campus housing past freshman year. Also, a new dorm was built behind the Kelley School of Business for just b-school students. There are a ton of rental props around the stadium, downtown and around the mall areas. If you can't find housing in Bloomington you're just not looking! However, the premium areas can be really high priced. There are several apartment complexes now that are high end and cost much more than Greek housing.

[AXOmom]

^^^That sounds more like what I would expect in a college town. I kind of thought when it sounded like housing was limited "What are the real estate developers in Indiana thinking because in down market - there's a gold mine." At least that's been the case at U of O where they can't put up apartment complexes and dorms fast enough. Yeah, it's going to be a little more expensive, but weighing that out with the alternative - lots of heartbroken, angry girls- that telling girls they can only live in one or two years and going to a quota system would seem like a simple and obvious solution, but to each their own I guess.

[DarlingTexan]

Originally Posted by AXOmom

^^^In that case what does IUHoosiergirl88 mean when she says girls would hate that because housing is so limited?

I understand girls wanting to live in. My daughter definately felt it helped her bond with her chpapter even for the two quarters she lived in and she feels like its definately beneficial for a pledge class to live together for a year, maybe even two, but I think if they'd had to do it for four - the town's domestic violence rate would have spiked significantly....along with the homicide rate.

LOL. We live in for a year and as long as you are on exec. I loved it but I think that's plenty.

[IUHoosiergirl88]

Back to clarify what I meant! There's not a 'shortage' of off-campus housing per say, but if you're looking to room with more than 1 other person, you sign leases for houses in September/October for the next school year, nicer apartments are gone by December. There's a lot of competition, and a lot of the apartments are, for lack of a better phrase, hell holes. (Case in point: my BF's apartment has mice in the walls and cabinets right now and they won't do a thing about it. They poop on his dishes! We're buying mousetraps this week) The on-campus apartments outside of Union Street aren't places people really want to live unless it's a last resort, as they're expensive and have rather unflattering nicknames to describe the people living inside of them. Girls don't and won't go back to the dorms because there is a stigma that people who live in the dorms more than one year are socially inept, basically. Plus they're expensive and a pricey meal plan is basically required.

So in the end, girls are like well...I can move to a tiny apartment, compete for a house, or stay in my mansion where someone cooks and cleans for me. Other than seniors...it seems like a pretty obvious choice!

[AXOmom]

Originally Posted by IUHoosiergirl88

Back to clarify what I meant! There's not a 'shortage' of off-campus housing per say, but if you're looking to room with more than 1 other person, you sign leases for houses in September/October for the next school year, nicer apartments are gone by December. There's a lot of competition, and a lot of the apartments are, for lack of a better phrase, hell holes. (Case in point: my BF's apartment has mice in the walls and cabinets right now and they won't do a thing about it. They poop on his dishes! We're buying mousetraps this week) The on-campus apartments outside of Union Street aren't places people really want to live unless it's a last resort, as they're expensive and have rather unflattering nicknames to describe the people living inside of them. Girls don't and won't go back to the dorms because there is a stigma that people who live in the dorms more than one year are socially inept, basically. Plus they're expensive and a pricey meal plan is basically required.

So in the end, girls are like well...I can move to a tiny apartment, compete for a house, or stay in my mansion where someone cooks and cleans for me. Other than seniors...it seems like a pretty obvious choice!

I don't want to come across like I'm arguing with you at all - I promise I'm not. I get that every campus culture is different and if this is how girls see it at IU - well, it is what it is. It's just that how different schools in different parts of the country do things interests me, and I can't quite wrap my head around this one.

I get not wanting to live in a hell hole, not wanting to live in the dorms more than one year (that seems to be a stigma at a lot of schools), and not wanting to pay a fortune for an apartment and the advantages to living in.

The bolded is what I don't get. If Indiana changed the system and told girls upfront that they would only be living in the house 1, 2, or 3 years (whatever they decided), so the girls knew at least a year in advance they were going to have to find other housing - what would keep them from signing leases in September/October for the next school year and getting the good apartments well before December? I
guess I'm not following the timeline here.

Also - the nicknames given to people living in some of the apartments would bother them? What sorority or fraternity hasn't been given an unflattering nickname by someone? A college junior or senior would care about that? That just kind of baffles me.

Of course, sorority women would have to tell me on this one - I don't know - all I have to go on is my daughter's feelings on the subject - but it seems to me that in terms of bonding and sisterhood, there would be a point of "diminishing returns" in that after four years of living, working and socializing with mostly the same say 100 girls you would go from sisterhood to "Get within 50 feet of me and I'm going to freakin' strangle you," pretty quick. Come to think of it - that's how I felt about my biological sister a good part of the time and there was just one of her.

Cooking and cleaning aside - personally I'd want some privacy and independence by junior year....at the latest. I guess I just can't picture that many girls doing that well together over that length of time but if IU's making it work - hats off to them.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by AXOmom

The bolded is what I don't get. If Indiana changed the system and told girls upfront that they would only be living in the house 1, 2, or 3 years (whatever they decided), so the girls knew at least a year in advance they were going to have to find other housing - what would keep them from signing leases in September/October for the next school year and getting the good apartments well before December? I guess I'm not following the timeline here.

In Champaign, you have to sign in Septemberish to get the best places for the following year, and we manage. Also, women with great apartments or houses will often "pass them down" to women in their chapters, i.e. recommend them to the landlord and make sure they get first shot at them.

[DubaiSis]

Originally Posted by AXOmom

Of course, sorority women would have to tell me on this one - I don't know - all I have to go on is my daughter's feelings on the subject - but it seems to me that in terms of bonding and sisterhood, there would be a point of "diminishing returns" in that after four years of living, working and socializing with mostly the same say 100 girls you would go from sisterhood to "Get within 50 feet of me and I'm going to freakin' strangle you," pretty quick. Come to think of it - that's how I felt about my biological sister a good part of the time and there was just one of her.

You are right more than you can even know. I lived in 3 years, and the last year I had a single, probably for the health and welfare of the rest of the house. I don't regret having lived in that year, and it may serve to nudge you out of the nest, as it were, but it definitely gets to be a strain.

[IUHoosiergirl88]

Originally Posted by AXOmom

Also - the nicknames given to people living in some of the apartments would bother them? What sorority or fraternity hasn't been given an unflattering nickname by someone? A college junior or senior would care about that? That just kind of baffles me.

Cooking and cleaning aside - personally I'd want some privacy and independence by junior year....at the latest. I guess I just can't picture that many girls doing that well together over that length of time but if IU's making it work - hats off to them.

Trust me, by my senior year, I was going insane. I wanted to live out just so I could cook my own meals. My house went from a 4 year to a 3 year live in policy (or until you're a senior, depending on if you rushed as a freshman or sophomore) and girls whined at first, but they're used to it now. As long as you give them advance notice...like saying that starting with the 2013-2014 school year, seniors will have to live out, I think it's fine.

In terms of the first, I guess an unflattering nickname was a poor choice of words. IU has a large Asian population, and when they move out of the dorms, they move to the on campus apartments...IU students in general thus avoid the on campus apartments like the plague. They're also extremely outdated.