Chick-fil-a Support Day and Free Speech

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Why? If it weren't for their ability to survive those hardships then, then we would not be here now.

That is why I take it so personally.

I take it personally because I had grandparents and my own parents who lived in a segregated Jim Crow South. Did I personally experience the degree of hardships they did, no. But I was definitely educated and understood what happened from their own personal experiences.



We can. Because they have been truly oppressed. Its not about Oppression Olympics and who is going to win. Its about defining your own cause on your own terms, and not trying to piggy-back on someone else.



I'll stop bringing it up when they stop using images of my heritage to push their agenda. Like I said, define your own agenda, use your own history in terms of the LGBTO community to help others understand why you are oppressed.

What images or black civil rights piggy-backing do you keep babbling about? You do know there black and Latino gays, right? Are black gays supposed to have a separate but equal "agenda" than white gays?

I love how wanting equal rights is an "agenda" to you.

[Wildcat2016]

I don't know if anyone covered this because I only read a couple pages but.... Everyone I know personally who chose to not go to Chick Fil A did so based on the way the company spends their money, not the way that Dan Cathy expressed his opinion in an interview.

Chick Fil A donates millions of dollars to anti gay hate groups like the one that believes gays should be exported from America and one that believes in "praying away the gay" (a practice that is extremely emotionally harmful to young people, as it almost never works). Not to mention that the restaurant has recently had 7 lawsuits filed for their treatment of employees (firing a woman so she would stay at home with her kids!?!) People know that their money is being spent this way when they buy a chicken sandwich and so they have every right to deny CFA the right to spend their money on such an atrocious cause. I find it amazing that the man spent 5 million dollars hurting other people instead of using it to buy food or send kids to school or ANYTHING AT ALL more helpful than fighting an entire group of people who are doing no harm to anyone.

Even though I already don't eat at CFA for other reasons, I probably would stop if I did. I just wouldn't want my money to be used for those causes. And more everyone I know who chose to boycott the restaurant, that's why they did it. It's not about free speech at all. At least not for Dan Cathy. No one can prosecute him for what he said, and they arent. It is, however, freedom of our wallets. To choose how our money is spent. And for many, not eating at CFA is a vote in favor of Mr. Cathy being more compassionate and spending his money in more useful ways. To me, that's a real exercise in freedom of speech.

[Wildcat2016]

Also I have NEVER heard a gay person compare their plight to the trail or tears or slavery. I have myself, however, compared this MOVEMENT towards equal rights for homosexuals to the women's rights or black rights movements because they they are similar in that, 20 years down the road, when gays are finally allowed to marry and have their peace, my kids will learn about this in history books and wonder why it all took so long.

[SWTXBelle]

http://www.chick-fil-abowl.com/Givin...bleGiving.aspx

Chick-fil-a Bowl donations - HOW DARE THEY - giving to foster care, college and high school scholarships, Play It Smart, children's healthcare, the National Guard, hearing and sight restoration, the National Kidney Challenge, Schools of Niger and worst of all COLLEGE FOOTBALL. If only they spent their money in "more useful ways". They OBVIOUSLY MUST BE STOPPED.

Yes, I realize they support other causes which are controversial. I'm just tired of all the hyperbole - to hear many, ALL CFA does is support anti-same sex marriage.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

http://www.chick-fil-abowl.com/Givin...bleGiving.aspx

Chick-fil-a Bowl donations - HOW DARE THEY - giving to foster care, college and high school scholarships, Play It Smart, children's healthcare, the National Guard, hearing and sight restoration, the National Kidney Challenge, Schools of Niger and worst of all COLLEGE FOOTBALL. If only they spent their money in "more useful ways". They OBVIOUSLY MUST BE STOPPED.

Yes, I realize they support other causes which are controversial. I'm just tired of all the hyperbole - to hear many, ALL CFA does is support anti-same sex marriage.

Your point would be valid if the above causes didn't constitute a somewhat small percentage of CFA's charitable giving.

From reading that link and others, it's clear that while CFA does donate to sources which seem not to be linked to anti-gay causes, these constitute a very small percentage of its charitable giving. Schools of Niger and the Kidney Challenge only receive $10,000 each annually. On the other hand, FCA received $240,000 in a single year. FCA, which I didn't even realize until reading, focuses some of its efforts towards converting gays. It's also a huge supporter of Focus on the Family, which the SPLC deemed as a hate group.

Let's not act brand new here and pretend that CFA's efforts against gay marriage are only a small part of their charitable efforts or their culture. From looking at their charitable giving and their actions, it's a major part of their culture.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by agzg

So listen to this, you bigoted asshole. YOUR HATE FOR SEN WAS MADE APPARENT THE MOMENT YOU STEPPED ON CHICK-FIL-A'S PROPERTY IN SUPPORT OF THEIR BIGOTRY. You don't get to love him in spite of it. You don't get to love me in spite of my hardened heart - my heart is hardened against the injustice of jerks like you forcing your perverted view of Christianity on me and others.

You are the very definition of hypocrisy.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by Wildcat2016

Also I have NEVER heard a gay person compare their plight to the trail or tears or slavery. I have myself, however, compared this MOVEMENT towards equal rights for homosexuals to the women's rights or black rights movements because they they are similar in that, 20 years down the road, when gays are finally allowed to marry and have their peace, my kids will learn about this in history books and wonder why it all took so long.

Absolutely. And for what it's worth, in college I learned that a lot of things are "the legacy of slavery," if you will, and perhaps it's hard for some people to compare the various movements because gay equality, women's equality, etc, wasn't necessarily born out of the legacy of slavery as the African American civil rights movement was.

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

http://www.chick-fil-abowl.com/Givin...bleGiving.aspx

Chick-fil-a Bowl donations - HOW DARE THEY - giving to foster care, college and high school scholarships, Play It Smart, children's healthcare, the National Guard, hearing and sight restoration, the National Kidney Challenge, Schools of Niger and worst of all COLLEGE FOOTBALL. If only they spent their money in "more useful ways". They OBVIOUSLY MUST BE STOPPED.

This is not about where CFA gives that isn't harmful. We all donate to places which aren't harmful.

If the neighborhood pimp gives silver dollars to kids at Christmas, he is still a pimp.

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Your point would be valid if the above causes didn't constitute a somewhat small percentage of CFA's charitable giving.

From reading that link and others, it's clear that while CFA does donate to sources which seem not to be linked to anti-gay causes, these constitute a very small percentage of its charitable giving. Schools of Niger and the Kidney Challenge only receive $10,000 each annually. On the other hand, FCA received $240,000 in a single year. FCA, which I didn't even realize until reading, focuses some of its efforts towards converting gays. It's also a huge supporter of Focus on the Family, which the SPLC deemed as a hate group.

Let's not act brand new here and pretend that CFA's efforts against gay marriage are only a small part of their charitable efforts or their culture. From looking at their charitable giving and their actions, it's a major part of their culture.

That, too.

[AOII Angel]

Jerry Sandusky used the Second Mile to do some really good things for a lot of kids...but he primarily did some very bad things. I think you'd have a hard time drawing the focus away from the bad things by pointing out the good. It doesn't cancel out the negatives in any way, shape or form.

[AlphaFrog]

Saw this on Facebook and thought about this thread. I cringed when I read it.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by AGDee

Surely you can understand why people would question that sincerity when your actions directly contradict your statement.

And, without at all questioning your sincerity, surely you can understand how what you said and how you said it comes across as patronizing.

[Tulip86]

Originally Posted by agzg

This shit? This shit is what I hate about your apparent brand of Christianity. How many chicken sandwiches did you buy for the poor and disadvantaged while you made a statement in favor of bigotry? Any? Do you follow any of the tenets of your religion besides "homosexuals are BAD" and "I'm going to tell people who rightfully are pissed off at me for being an asshole that I love them anyway, so that I can prove I'm turning the other cheek?"

No. It doesn't work that way. You can't play the "I love you any way" and "turn the other cheek" shit when it's your own bigotry that people are upset with.

And no, it's not freedom of speech. You support freedom of bigotry. Freedom to actively try to stand in the way of someone else getting the same civil rights that you enjoy. You don't get to turn your other fucking cheek from that.

So listen to this, you bigoted asshole. YOUR HATE FOR SEN WAS MADE APPARENT THE MOMENT YOU STEPPED ON CHICK-FIL-A'S PROPERTY IN SUPPORT OF THEIR BIGOTRY. You don't get to love him in spite of it. You don't get to love me in spite of my hardened heart - my heart is hardened against the injustice of jerks like you forcing your perverted view of Christianity on me and others.

You are the very definition of hypocrisy.

Now where is that Like button? This, this, this!

I think no one argues that freedom of speech isn't of utmost importance. However, if words turn in to actions, and those actions prevent another from living a fulfilling life, than, yes, I have a huge problem with that.

Personally, I haven't eaten at CFA in a while (may have something to do with their absence in Europe) but I don't believe for one second that a college educated person would think they were supporting freedom of speech when eating at CFA on that specific day. You were supporting bigotry, discrimination, fear and intolerance. And I think you should be profoundly embarrassed.

[agzg]

Originally Posted by Tulip86

Now where is that Like button? This, this, this!

I think no one argues that freedom of speech isn't of utmost importance. However, if words turn in to actions, and those actions prevent another from living a fulfilling life, than, yes, I have a huge problem with that.

Personally, I haven't eaten at CFA in a while (may have something to do with their absence in Europe) but I don't believe for one second that a college educated person would think they were supporting freedom of speech when eating at CFA on that specific day. You were supporting bigotry, discrimination, fear and intolerance. And I think you should be profoundly embarrassed.

Not to mention that CFA Appreciation Day was proposed and planned BEFORE local politicians started expressing that maybe Chick-fil-A wasn't in line with their values. Mike Huckabee did call it originally for "free speech" but that's because Mike Huckabee doesn't know what the fuck "free speech" means.

But it's totally about free speech, right?

[pshsx1]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

I'll stop bringing it up when they stop using images of my heritage to push their agenda. Like I said, define your own agenda, use your own history in terms of the LGBTO community to help others understand why you are oppressed.

Could you please show me a copy of the gay agenda? I'm gay and I've yet to see one.

I'm also black (double whammy!) and I don't think I've seen a copy of the POC agenda either. Hm.

Originally Posted by Wildcat2016

Also I have NEVER heard a gay person compare their plight to the trail or tears or slavery. I have myself, however, compared this MOVEMENT towards equal rights for homosexuals to the women's rights or black rights movements because they they are similar in that, 20 years down the road, when gays are finally allowed to marry and have their peace, my kids will learn about this in history books and wonder why it all took so long.

[Senusret I]

I don't even want to officially quote this dummy because I have no reason to respect her.

"I'll stop bringing it up when they stop using images of my heritage to push their agenda."

You stupid bitch. It IS my heritage. BLACK PEOPLE CAN BE GAY TOO.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

Saw this on Facebook and thought about this thread. I cringed when I read it.

You proved my point. The whole "lets compare being gay to being Black".

Why not use another persecuted group in America, like Latinos, Jews, Native Americans and Asians. Reread the post above and just insert these other groups that I've listed.

My question is: Why always use Blacks and the Black experience to make comparisons to the gay experience?

Why use any other persecuted group at all to compare to the gay experience? If oppression of gays is so prevalent, and I believe it is, then it is an issue that should be able to stand on its own without comparison to others.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

You proved my point. The whole "lets compare being gay to being Black".

Why not use another persecuted group in America, like Latinos, Jews, Native Americans and Asians. Reread the post above and just insert these other groups that I've listed.

My question is: Why always use Blacks and the Black experience to make comparisons to the gay experience?

Why use any other persecuted group at all to compare to the gay experience? If oppression of gays is so prevalent, and I believe it is, then it is an issue that should be able to stand on its own without comparison to others.

No she didn't prove your point. I think you should reread that FB post and try to figure out on your own the point it's trying to make.