12-year-old tased by police officer

[Kevin]

And maybe you can stop pretending that you weren't implying racism when you said I'd likely feel different if the girl had been white. If you want to clarify, go ahead, but that was certainly how it came across.

I never said the abuse joke was in reference to anything either of you said. Again, I guess you are the other two people in the world who have never laughed at an off-color, even bad joke. And to steal one from Jeffrey Ross, if you're offended, you could do as Paterno did and just look the other way.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

And maybe you can stop pretending that you weren't implying racism....

Again, I guess you are the other two people in the world who have never laughed at an off-color, even bad joke.

Sigmund Freud would have a good time with you.


Since I used Google Images to find the image of the 12 year old girl on page 1 of this thread, have you Google Imaged "12 year old girl" yet? Almost all of the images on the first 5 pages of results are 12 year old white girls with a few Asian and other nonBlack girls. These are two of the first images of "12 year old girl" who are of the more immediate Black or African Diaspora:







Perhaps I needed to scour Google Images for a Black girl so that you can grasp the point being made--which does not instantly make it not about race since Black girls still have a race regardless of the discussion at hand. When you responded about white privilege and so forth, it confirmed what I assumed would happen. Now that you are over your imagination that I was calling you racist because of my effortless choice of a white 12 year old girl who actually looks under the age of 18 in Google Images, certainly you can grasp that images shape perceptions of demographic characteristics including age.

Certainly you can grasp that the media makes every effort to advertise the victimization of women and children who are often considered "beautiful," "innocent looking," and "adorable" based on mainstream standards which in turn shapes the mainstream/general public's response to the victimization of some people versus others. That has long been correlated with factors including but not limited to socioeconomic status and race and ethnicity. Even someone who believes "no one is holding you back but yourself" can grasp this. You even stated numerous times that it is difficult to gauge the age of girls and especially racial and ethnic minority girls. Rhetorical question1, how do you think that shapes perception and response from the general public and the media? Rhetorical question2, if there are some children who look their age and some children who look older than their age, and this has been linked to race and ethnicity, how does it not make sense to look at children in the same age group across races and ethnicities? Rhetorical question3, have not mainstream images of beauty and innocence around the world been linked for decades to socioeconomic status and race, ethnicity, and culture and been studied as they pertain to forms of crime and deviance and people's perceptions of crime and deviance?

"Where's the spoon?! Where's the spoon?!"

Originally Posted by Kevin

And to steal one from Jeffrey Ross, if you're offended, you could do as Paterno did and just look the other way.

Interesting. Yet you cannot get over what you imagine happened on page 1 of this thread.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Interesting. Yet you cannot get over what you imagine happened on page 1 of this thread.

Says the person quoting me in their signature.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Says the person quoting me in their signature.

You noticed that too, eh?

[Kevin]

So you're going to compare a 12 year old who interfered in her drug trafficking convicted parent who was shopping at Victoria's Secret instead of paying outstanding traffic citations to Rosa Parks? Are you trying to suggest this was some sort of symbolic act of civil disobedience?

Huge fail. Epic.

LOL says the dumbass accusing DrPhil of calling him a racist. She never even suggested it.

Anybody seen my pom poms? Damn, I forgot, I shoved them up David Duke's ass.

DrPhil clearly needs you to defend her. We've hashed that one out already. Apparently I can't get off of page 1 and she can't get over something that was said in an entirely different thread.

[Iota Man]

Originally Posted by KKKevin

So you're going to compare a 12 year old who interfered in her drug trafficking convicted parent who was shopping at Victoria's Secret instead of paying outstanding traffic citations to Rosa Parks? Are you trying to suggest this was some sort of symbolic act of civil disobedience?

Huge fail. Epic.

LOL I knew you were going to come back with some dumb shit like this. No, I'm not comparing a 12 year old to Rosa Parks. I'm responding to your post. I'm trying to get your stupid ass to understand that "authority" doesn't always make the right decisions as this police officer who tased a 12 year old clearly didn't.

Your entire life is an Epic Fail. Go fuck yourself.

Originally Posted by KKKevin

DrPhil clearly needs you to defend her. blah blah blah............

DrPhil is capable of defending herself. She's clearly proven that in the last few pages going back and forth with your dumbass.

Sit down and shut up, man.

[IrishLake]

OK, so I asked my brother what his departments protocol is for something like this, and here is what he said:

"My department's policy states prior to deploying an ECD (Electronic control device aka Taser) the target must be showing "active aggression." This basically means that if someone runs from me or refuses to comply by using deadweight, standing still and tensing up, etc. I should not use the ecd. If they assault, attack, or resist by force (pulling away, grapple with me, etc.) then I would be justified. There is no age limit young or old. I think we're all competent enough not to taze a small child or an elderly person, though. That said, I would not taze someone who was clearly unarmed that was not a threat to me. It's easy to judge someones actions after the fact when that officer had a split second to make a decision during an adrenaline fogged high-stress situation. In the case you asked about, the girl denied physically interfering with her mothers arrest, and claimed she was just crying and telling the officer to not arrest her mother. Obviously if that were the case the use of force would not be justified. Putting myself in that situation and taking into consideration the girl looked to be no more than 90 lbs., I would probably only utilize the ecd if she was physically attacking me or physically attempting to interfere with the arrest. Unfortunately the perception and possible media attention in a situation like this would cause a lot of guys to second guess themselves before using the appropriate amount of force.

I would try to physically control both of them while obviously giving verbal commands, but that's much easier said than done. If the mother was resisting and the daughter was helping her I'd say the ecd would be more than justified for the safety of the officer and in the interest of effecting the arrest."

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by IrishLake

OK, so I asked my brother what his departments protocol is for something like this, and here is what he said:

"My department's policy states prior to deploying an ECD (Electronic control device aka Taser) the target must be showing "active aggression." This basically means that if someone runs from me or refuses to comply by using deadweight, standing still and tensing up, etc. I should not use the ecd. If they assault, attack, or resist by force (pulling away, grapple with me, etc.) then I would be justified. There is no age limit young or old. I think we're all competent enough not to taze a small child or an elderly person, though. That said, I would not taze someone who was clearly unarmed that was not a threat to me. It's easy to judge someones actions after the fact when that officer had a split second to make a decision during an adrenaline fogged high-stress situation. In the case you asked about, the girl denied physically interfering with her mothers arrest, and claimed she was just crying and telling the officer to not arrest her mother. Obviously if that were the case the use of force would not be justified. Putting myself in that situation and taking into consideration the girl looked to be no more than 90 lbs., I would probably only utilize the ecd if she was physically attacking me or physically attempting to interfere with the arrest. Unfortunately the perception and possible media attention in a situation like this would cause a lot of guys to second guess themselves before using the appropriate amount of force.

I would try to physically control both of them while obviously giving verbal commands, but that's much easier said than done. If the mother was resisting and the daughter was helping her I'd say the ecd would be more than justified for the safety of the officer and in the interest of effecting the arrest."

Thanks for sharing your brother's perspective.