Chick-fil-a Support Day and Free Speech

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I love it when pshsx1 gets fired up.

*like*

[pshsx1]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I love it when pshsx1 gets fired up.

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

*like*

Why, thank you!

[Senusret I]

[pshsx1]

Oh yeah, and can we also talk about the conservative party (at the moment, the Republicans) in America are always on the wrong side of social rights issues? Yeah. Okay.

[IrishLake]

Originally Posted by pshsx1

Oh yeah, and can we also talk about the conservative party (at the moment, the Republicans) in America are always on the wrong side of social rights issues? Yeah. Okay.

Not all of us. I can only hope the party I identify with more eventually evolves with time.

[amIblue?]

Originally Posted by Greek_or_Geek?

How sad you feel this way. It's actually a tenant of my Christian faith. I'm sorry you doubt my sincerity.

//hijack

Sorry to be a grammar bitch here, but I've seen this word misused several times lately, and it is making me nuts. The correct word for your context is tenet.

From Webster:

Tenet: noun meaning: "a principle, belief, or doctrine generally held to be true; especially : one held in common by members of an organization, movement, or profession "

Tenant: noun meaning: "one who holds or possesses real estate or sometimes personal property (as a security) by any kind of right"

end hijack//

[Greek_or_Geek?]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

//hijack

Sorry to be a grammar bitch here, but I've seen this word misused several times lately, and it is making me nuts. The correct word for your context is tenet.

From Webster:

Tenet: noun meaning: "a principle, belief, or doctrine generally held to be true; especially : one held in common by members of an organization, movement, or profession "

Tenant: noun meaning: "one who holds or possesses real estate or sometimes personal property (as a security) by any kind of right"

end hijack//

Yes, I know. Unfortunately I didn't catch the iPad's autocorrect.

[Wildcat2016]

I don't know if anyone covered this because I only read a couple pages but.... Everyone I know personally who chose to not go to Chick Fil A did so based on the way the company spends their money, not the way that Dan Cathy expressed his opinion in an interview.

Chick Fil A donates millions of dollars to anti gay hate groups like the one that believes gays should be exported from America and one that believes in "praying away the gay" (a practice that is extremely emotionally harmful to young people, as it almost never works). Not to mention that the restaurant has recently had 7 lawsuits filed for their treatment of employees (firing a woman so she would stay at home with her kids!?!) People know that their money is being spent this way when they buy a chicken sandwich and so they have every right to deny CFA the right to spend their money on such an atrocious cause. I find it amazing that the man spent 5 million dollars hurting other people instead of using it to buy food or send kids to school or ANYTHING AT ALL more helpful than fighting an entire group of people who are doing no harm to anyone.

Even though I already don't eat at CFA for other reasons, I probably would stop if I did. I just wouldn't want my money to be used for those causes. And more everyone I know who chose to boycott the restaurant, that's why they did it. It's not about free speech at all. At least not for Dan Cathy. No one can prosecute him for what he said, and they arent. It is, however, freedom of our wallets. To choose how our money is spent. And for many, not eating at CFA is a vote in favor of Mr. Cathy being more compassionate and spending his money in more useful ways. To me, that's a real exercise in freedom of speech.

[Wildcat2016]

Also I have NEVER heard a gay person compare their plight to the trail or tears or slavery. I have myself, however, compared this MOVEMENT towards equal rights for homosexuals to the women's rights or black rights movements because they they are similar in that, 20 years down the road, when gays are finally allowed to marry and have their peace, my kids will learn about this in history books and wonder why it all took so long.

[Senusret I]

I don't even want to officially quote this dummy because I have no reason to respect her.

"I'll stop bringing it up when they stop using images of my heritage to push their agenda."

You stupid bitch. It IS my heritage. BLACK PEOPLE CAN BE GAY TOO.

[amIblue?]

I had no idea that FCA was anti-gay. I joined in high school because all of the cutest boys were in it. I don't remember anything else but cute boys.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by amIblue?

I had no idea that FCA was anti-gay. I joined in high school because all of the cutest boys were in it. I don't remember anything else but cute boys.

I didn't know it either until I started reading more about Chic Fil-A. It was made up of the kids who went to "good" churches and had the best parties. The snake handlers were in another Christian club--they used to call the FCA "Fellowship of Christian Alcoholics."

[DubaiSis]

I still think I'll wait a year and make sure they didn't just closet the hate until the furor died down. I certainly hope this is a true reform as they really are great chicken sandwiches. Now, if we could just do something about Macy's and Donald Trump. I have missed shopping there and I really need some makeup and sweaters. In lieu of paying more or finding a new store, I have just been going without. And my eye shadow situation is getting dire.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by adpimiz

So because you don't agree with his view, you won't eat at any chik Fil a restaurant?

No, although it can certainly be principled to choose not to patronize businesses when you disagree with public positions of the owners/CEOs. Of course he has a right to his opinion; others have a right show their disagreement with those views by not patronizing the business. Free speech works both ways. (And yes, to be clear, I know we're not talking about Free Speech in the First Amendment sense.)

But the boycott had/has to do with the fact that money was going from Chik-Fil-A to the Winshape Foundation to organizations like Exudos International. Those who chose not to eat at Chik-Fil-A did so because they didn't want their money going (indirectly) to organizations with goals and agendas they don't support.

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

I still think I'll wait a year and make sure they didn't just closet the hate until the furor died down.

Well, I think that's part of the point -- Windmeyer says that they had stopped giving money to the problematic groups before the furor of this past summer. ("Even as Campus Pride and so many in the community protested Chick-fil-A and its funding of groups like Family Research Council, Eagle Forum and Exodus International, the funding of these groups had already stopped.")

Aside from where the money is or isn't going, though, what I really appreciate about the article is the story of how people can disagree -- even disagree vehemently -- but still listen to each other, try hard to understand each other, and find a way to honor both their own convictions and yet respect and value the worth of those who hold different convictions so as to move toward, in the words Windmeyer says Cathie used, a "blessing of growth."

I am convinced that this kind of dialogue and these kinds of relationships, both in our neighborhoods and our nation, are the only way this diverse society of ours can move forward together.

/cockeyedoptimistsoapbox

Now, if we could just do something about . . . Donald Trump.

There's no help for crazy.

[DubaiSis]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Aside from where the money is or isn't going, though, what I really appreciate about the article is the story of how people can disagree -- even disagree vehemently -- but still listen to each other, try hard to understand each other, and find a way to honor both their own convictions and yet respect and value the worth of those who hold different convictions so as to move toward, in the words Windmeyer says Cathie used, a "blessing of growth."

I am convinced that this kind of dialogue and these kinds of relationships, both in our neighborhoods and our nation, are the only way this diverse society of ours can move forward together.

/cockeyedoptimistsoapbox


There's no help for crazy.

I agree on all points. I will watch with cautious optimism. And once a mind is expanded, it never goes back. There is hope for everyone!